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Originally Posted by slave no more  I agree with the above poster 100%. Andy has no idea what REALLY goes on in his company or has turned a blind eye to it (I go with the first). The shadyness usually starts on the RRM level and down. VPs are usually a little better at cutting off the BS but again there are those out there that promote it. Andy is a genuine business man and genuinely cares about people and service and his FAMILIES name and company. I was always taught and told that working for ERAC is a sales job. Not customer service and every interview I took place in my ARM started off with that exact line. The shit rises but I don't think to the top. Also Admin and I have stated this before, no one is going to use FE.com as a reference for anything until you gain back the integrity of the site. It is being tarnished by sucks to be you and ahost of others, the threads on people sucking dick and giving ??? for promotions and all of the other nonsense that has gone from the customer service intentions to basically a mudslinging site for ex and current employees to talk shit about people behind their backs. |
I've been making more of an effort here lately to improve the tone of things. Every day I'm deleting several messages that are nasty or offensive or would discourage people from participating. I think things have been better in the last week or two.
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Originally Posted by slave no more The other issue here also is the integrity of this sites "mission statement" towards free speech. "Free speech is not for sissies" yet it doesn't seem to be for you. I am in no way trying to call you out or bash but you cannot expect people to take the above quote seriously when you are deleting threads soley going against you and not those that are verbally harmful to others and are in most cases not provable. I respect your intentions and your opinions about every this site means to you and if I am banned after this then so be it but you cannot sit there, call ERAC liars for taking reservations and having the intentions of getting you into a car and failing those intentions, call them liars and then out and out "lie" to your customers here on FE.com. Change the mission statement, allow people to post whatever or make this a site of customer service and employment issues. Not a high school locker room where the person with the smallest dick and the biggest mouth (sucks to be you) rants and raves about nonsense. |
I find myself with two core values that are somewhat in conflict. I really value free speech and I also really value civil discussion. One person's free speech can have the effect of suppressing another person's desire to participate in the discussion. There are some people on this discussion board who seem to have a well-practiced ability to be so mean, nasty and offensive that they have the net effect of driving other posters away. It's not obvious which "free speech" I should support at the expense of the other; the shitheads or the people really trying to have a conversation and learn something here?
I regularly get complaints that I'm deleting messages and thus not allowing true "free speech" and I also regularly get complaints that I'm not deleting nearly enough messages and that the site has too much garbage on it. Sometimes I get both of these mutually exclusive complaints from the same person. I think this is further evidence of the idea that these two goals are often in conflict.
I'm still learning how to run a community like this. Over the past couple of weeks, I've found that by being a more active presence here and suppressing some of the more nasty comments, many posters feel safer about posting here and we've had better conversations.
As for Sucks-To-Be-You: it's hard to know what to make of him. I've generally found him to be pretty harmless (the one glaring exception is that I don't want him making threats of physical violence here or anywhere else). I actually found him to be sort of entertaining. Sure, I deleted several of his more out-of-bounds messages, but overall I didn't feel like he was trying to suppress other people from posting.
Yes, he clearly has some problems and perhaps some failings in judgement and self-control, but underneath it all, I thought he was actually of pretty good character. He wasn't trying to hurt anyone else (again, the threats are a big exception here), and basically just wanted to get his job back and be left alone.
Maybe here's my standard: there's an important difference between having an argument in which our ideas are competing in a contest to see which provides a better approximation of the truth, and a fight in which the goal is to hurt the other person so much they give up and walk away.
In my opinion, a lot of people get these two ideas, arguing and fighting, confused, and as soon as someone disagrees with them they immediately launch into a series of nasty insults to try to "win" the fight. I think this error in thinking is especially common among the highly social, heavy drinking, middle-range frat boys and sorority girls that Enterprise tends to hire.
I like a good argument, but I'd rather stay out of fights. I've had two hour arguments with friends in which we've both learned a tremendous amount. By contrast, any posting that starts off with "You're such a fucking douche bag no wonder you're the laughingstock of this discussion board" isn't going to illuminate anything.
I can perfectly well understand how you or anyone else could feel that I'm being inconsistent in the way I run things here. We all come from different backgrounds and have different values. We all react to different provocations differently. It may be the case that I'm being consistent within my own moral framework but others, who have a different moral framework, feel I'm being inconsistent within theirs.
Yes, there were a handful of shitheads that I banned from the board. They seemed to focus on just being relentlessly nasty and verbally abusive, and were attempting to bully me and mock me with every post. Truth1 even tried to mock me for how easily he "dominated" me on the board. Taunting the Administrator like that is a fast way to get thrown out of anyone's discussion board.
Please remember that free speech only means that the government can't shut you up, and that no one can use the courts to prevent you from speaking the truth. This is a private discussion board and I can uninvite anyone I want. They still have the right to go anywhere else and say whatever they want. I'm not suppressing their right to free speech, I'm just throwing out someone who's being disruptive to everyone else's right to free speech. Somebody's got to be the daddy here, and a lot of people are just naturally going to be angry at whoever that is.
And no, I'm not in the least bit offended by your post. You're bringing up good ideas and trying improve things here and actually learn something rather than simply attack me. Keep up the good work.
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