Well I worked in group 35 for about five years. I understand that Steve Mays is no longer part of group 35. He was more than cocky. If he was fired as I heard then he got what he deserevd.(Something rare in the enetrprise culture) His replacement is now Rob Wilson. This guy was the worst city manager that I worked for and that includes Cal Likens. Rob would visit our branch make a few complaints then go stink up our bathroom to the point that we would open every door just to air out the office so that it didn't stink anymore. He would act like the whole thing didn't even happen. I was there when packaging waiver was accepted by everyone privately and on some occasions publicly. If group 35 is to become a better group then there will need to be a change from the top down.