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Originally Posted by in the know

Robert - good point and I complete with you 100%. However the problem isn't that there are certain situations that make where guns are warranted. the problem is how as a government do you design laws that appease the population and also when the laws are passed that criminals still don;t find loopholes. the laws can be designed for this situation but how do you protect the constitution and make a law that can put guns in the right peoples hands.

Great point. That's the million dollar question. I'm no constitutional lawyer, but many times I've heard the arguement that "right to bear arms" does not necessarily refer to guns as outlined in this Wikipedia article: Right to bear arms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Smart organized crime will always find "loopholes". Fortunately, most criminals are stupid. I think not selling firearms at Walmart would be a good start. It will certainly take some smart, courageous political leaders to make the unpopular decision to put tighter restrictions on gun control. Terrorists aside, when was the last time a gun saved your life in your normal day-to-day routine? Now when was the last time you heard about someone being needlessly killed by a firearm --open today's newspaper.

Perhaps it helps to put my views in perspective by telling you after I left ERAC I got into Occupational Health & Safety (thanks ERAC for the inspiration). Every day I go to work, I have to find ways so that someone will go home tonight the same way they came to work this morning. I sincerely want to see people live the American dream, and see so many needless careless acts committed by people (ie Andy Taylor) which could have been prevented. Health, Safety and Security are my passion. If I could justify the advantages over the disadvantage I would be onside. Unfortunately the research and statistics don't back up the arguments.

Originally Posted by reply

Great point. That's the million dollar question. I'm no constitutional lawyer, but many times I've heard the arguement that "right to bear arms" does not necessarily refer to guns as outlined in this Wikipedia article: Right to bear arms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Smart organized crime will always find "loopholes". Fortunately, most criminals are stupid. I think not selling firearms at Walmart would be a good start. It will certainly take some smart, courageous political leaders to make the unpopular decision to put tighter restrictions on gun control. Terrorists aside, when was the last time a gun saved your life in your normal day-to-day routine? Now when was the last time you heard about someone being needlessly killed by a firearm --open today's newspaper.

Perhaps it helps to put my views in perspective by telling you after I left ERAC I got into Occupational Health & Safety (thanks ERAC for the inspiration). Every day I go to work, I have to find ways so that someone will go home tonight the same way they came to work this morning. I sincerely want to see people live the American dream, and see so many needless careless acts committed by people (ie Andy Taylor) which could have been prevented. Health, Safety and Security are my passion. If I could justify the advantages over the disadvantage I would be onside. Unfortunately the research and statistics don't back up the arguments.

After reading these posts, I can only gather that you want to take on guys with knives raping your wife with only your bare fists? You must be a bad ass.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by in the know

one last point robert....

take abortion for example. if a mentally retarded person becomes pregannt or someone becomes pregnant through a rape - shouldn't they have a choice? if someone is under the age of 18 and is pregnant, can they make a decision regarding another life when they can't make decisions regarding their own yet? the problem is when do you cut off what is allowed and what isn't.....

I'm pro choice, but am personally against abortion. That is my choice, you might have another.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by reply

The only reason I dislike this example is again because this example is used time and time again to defend handgun ownership for the sake of safety. IF this was a likely and common scenario, it would be easier for me to empathize with your point. I remember watching and reading something on this very point which debunked this myth. In fact, in the majority of cases where this would be witnessed by the husband, it wasn't rape at all, it was cheating, but consent which was later rescinded to save the relationship. So for all the points mentioned, this is a very weak argument for me to defend ownership of a firearm. I hate liberals as much as the next guy, but for me, this isn't about partisanship but rather doing the right thing based not only on commonsense, but research and real-life statistics. So many of the, WHAT IF's, are just that...what if...

It is not likely of course. But isn't is easy to have suspicions against the lobby who supports a ban on all guns when they are also the same group that is soft on crime and against the death penalty? Every move a liberal makes is for the benefit of criminals or terrorists. After a while it is tough to trust their judgement on any issue, including gun control. Like we established, gun control won't stop the criminal from acquiring the gun. It only stops the people who obey the law. If you could guarantee me there would never be another murder committed by a gun, I would certainly be for gun control. But it is impossible to make that guarantee.

[mussolini]

Originally Posted by Robert

That could only be one scenario. What if you were in bed with your wife and your kids were asleep and some motherfucker is trying to break in. If he has a gun, then you are equal. If he doesnt, guess what, you have the UPPER HAND! Wouldnt you want that to protect your wife and children?

Absolutely. I don't have a wife and kids but it would at least be nice to be able to protect myself. Liberals don't care about that. They would rather see the criminals life protected at the expense of he innocent. How else could the be anti death penalty and pro abortion?

[hekiliko'olau]

Originally Posted by FailingEnterpriseAdmin

Some Enterprise attorney in St. Louis just spit up her coffee reading that.

and I just choked on an m&m reading your post

[Robert]

Originally Posted by mussolini

Absolutely. I don't have a wife and kids but it would at least be nice to be able to protect myself. Liberals don't care about that. They would rather see the criminals life protected at the expense of he innocent. How else could the be anti death penalty and pro abortion?

Because, liberals are self-loathing people who love death of people who do not have a voice. They love to suck the brains out of a 6month fetus one day and the next day cry and light candles for a monster who killed 5 people with an ax. Why do you think liberals are against the war on terror? They want another 9-11 since they worship and idolize the murderous tactics of radical Islamists.

[mussolini]

Originally Posted by Robert

Because, liberals are self-loathing people who love death of people who do not have a voice. They love to suck the brains out of a 6month fetus one day and the next day cry and light candles for a monster who killed 5 people with an ax. Why do you think liberals are against the war on terror? They want another 9-11 since they worship and idolize the murderous tactics of radical Islamists.

Liberals and the jewish media have their fingers crossed for another 9/11 so they can blame bush for that and get more aid to Israel.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by mussolini

Liberals and the jewish media have their fingers crossed for another 9/11 so they can blame bush for that and get more aid to Israel.

I always thought Iraq should have felt the wrath of Israel back in the first Gulf War. Saddam tried to provoke and we should have let Israel respond.

[mussolini]

Originally Posted by Robert

I always thought Iraq should have felt the wrath of Israel back in the first Gulf War. Saddam tried to provoke and we should have let Israel respond.

Israel doesn't want any part of the muslims in the middle east, at least not without tons of U.S. Aid. If we cut off aid to Israel completely they'd be back wandering throughout the desert. At least it would make for another good bible story though.