What happened to the Hammer?

Originally Posted by I bleed green

If he couldn't do well with us he will fail elsewhere too. We are a better company at training our folks for sales and professionalism than anyone else. If you can't cut it here and make it big you are a loser.

Apparently you are living proof. What is your title and where are you from?

Please shed some light on what basis you have to compare one job to the next and one industry to the next. Also please define a loser outside of the erac culture.

The professionalism you spoke of truly reflects in your message. Bravo! KEEP LIVING THE DREAM PAL!

Originally Posted by I bleed green

If he couldn't do well with us he will fail elsewhere too. We are a better company at training our folks for sales and professionalism than anyone else. If you can't cut it here and make it big you are a loser.

I disagree with you about the training at ERAC being that I used to work there and now work in Pharma...In my current Pharma job we start off with an initial 7-8 week training/orientation, in addition (during the 1st year) we get to go to 4 weeks of training where we are video taped everyday for sales training and also go on Point of Action trips at least twice a year for 1 week at a time (not to Harrisburg). I just had several days of training on presentation skills which was excellent (also videotaped). Our company brings in the best corporate consulting talent globally. ERAC cannot touch it. I KNOW because I experienced ERAC's 3 day orientation/training and occasional 1 day sessions every couple of months and MQI training (jeopardy). I left ERAC as soon as I passed my MQI and it was the best decision I made. Our company also pays for tuition reimbursement for Masters degrees. I am currently taking advantage of that as well. Bill will be in shock at the difference in training, hours, corporate advancement and pay.

Originally Posted by E-radicated

I disagree with you about the training at ERAC being that I used to work there and now work in Pharma...In my current Pharma job we start off with an initial 7-8 week training/orientation, in addition (during the 1st year) we get to go to 4 weeks of training where we are video taped everyday for sales training and also go on Point of Action trips at least twice a year for 1 week at a time (not to Harrisburg). I just had several days of training on presentation skills which was excellent (also videotaped). Our company brings in the best corporate consulting talent globally. ERAC cannot touch it. I KNOW because I experienced ERAC's 3 day orientation/training and occasional 1 day sessions every couple of months and MQI training (jeopardy). I left ERAC as soon as I passed my MQI and it was the best decision I made. Our company also pays for tuition reimbursement for Masters degrees. I am currently taking advantage of that as well. Bill will be in shock at the difference in training, hours, corporate advancement and pay.

I am in pharma as well and I can concur with everything you said. erac's sales training was like taking pre-algebra in the 8th grade. not bad, but a start. Pharma training is like taking advanced calculas. Pretty cut and dry. I was also videotaped in front of real actors and had to sell and go through all of the steps. After that you had to be critiqued to death. 4 weeks worth. very intense stuff.

You folks are living a lie. You couldn't cut it with ERAC. If you could you would be making major $$$ doing less work than you are now. You just couldn't make the grade on your own. ERAC doesn't hold your hand in training like the phoney drug pushing companies. Either you get it and you do well at ERAC, or you are a loser and you leave braging that it is sooooo much better on the outside. It is just the sour grapes story with you. Too bad you could only be average at best.

[GP57 Dropout]

Originally Posted by I bleed green

You folks are living a lie. You couldn't cut it with ERAC. If you could you would be making major $$$ doing less work than you are now. You just couldn't make the grade on your own. ERAC doesn't hold your hand in training like the phoney drug pushing companies. Either you get it and you do well at ERAC, or you are a loser and you leave braging that it is sooooo much better on the outside. It is just the sour grapes story with you. Too bad you could only be average at best.

You, my friend, are living in denial and suppressing rage, m'er f'er. It's amazing how quick someone hopped right on this. Two people just pointed out that ERAC's orientation and training could use some improvement and right away it turns to "you just couldn't hack it" talk. Certain jobs aren't for certain people. Perhaps you are one of the few that ACTUALLY enjoys working for ERAC. Good for you, but don't feel the need to think that everyone who leaves simply couldn't hack it.

Me personally, I could see what ERAC was doing to my soul (I was becoming bitter with the world and everyone who had a job involving less hours and hassle, I could foresee the hours causing a straining on my marriage eventually, AND I couldn't ethically take the fact that I was being required to lie to customers every day.

So good for you if you enjoyed it, but I certainly don't think that everyone that leaves simply couldn't hack it....it's not that challenging of a job. It's a good place to start though. I certainly learned a lot....and the moved on to the next adventure.

Originally Posted by GP57 Dropout

You, my friend, are living in denial and suppressing rage, m'er f'er. It's amazing how quick someone hopped right on this. Two people just pointed out that ERAC's orientation and training could use some improvement and right away it turns to "you just couldn't hack it" talk. Certain jobs aren't for certain people. Perhaps you are one of the few that ACTUALLY enjoys working for ERAC. Good for you, but don't feel the need to think that everyone who leaves simply couldn't hack it.

Me personally, I could see what ERAC was doing to my soul (I was becoming bitter with the world and everyone who had a job involving less hours and hassle, I could foresee the hours causing a straining on my marriage eventually, AND I couldn't ethically take the fact that I was being required to lie to customers every day.

So good for you if you enjoyed it, but I certainly don't think that everyone that leaves simply couldn't hack it....it's not that challenging of a job. It's a good place to start though. I certainly learned a lot....and the moved on to the next adventure.

Thank You!
I was just stating a fact about my training experiences at both companies. My current job is much more mentally demanding in terms of skills and thinking on my feet than washing cars and selling damage waiver. Everyone that works at ERAC when I go to rent cars now asks me if they can send me their resume'. I still get calls from bodyshop owners that I remained friends with (and still visit) and they think the company is rediculous and are happy for me that I left. I did very well by ERAC standards when I worked there and could have been promoted right away after passing my MQI. I knew for me there were better opportunities out there. I used ERAC just as ERAC used me to get ahead. I encourage everyone there to just get as far as you need to make yourself marketable to a company who will treat you how you like (whether that is ERAC or not - is up to you). By the way- no one was holding my hand at training in my current job. If a person doesn't cut it- they cut the person even in training. Nobody ever held my hand, which you should not even comment on since clearly ERAC is the only sales training you can refer to. Remember - I experienced ERAC training and another sales training and I know what I am talking about. You have no experience in my current company's program. If you want to be taken seriously by anyone on this site - you must make logical and rhetorical sense.

Originally Posted by GP57 Dropout

You, my friend, are living in denial and suppressing rage, m'er f'er. It's amazing how quick someone hopped right on this. Two people just pointed out that ERAC's orientation and training could use some improvement and right away it turns to "you just couldn't hack it" talk. Certain jobs aren't for certain people. Perhaps you are one of the few that ACTUALLY enjoys working for ERAC. Good for you, but don't feel the need to think that everyone who leaves simply couldn't hack it.

Me personally, I could see what ERAC was doing to my soul (I was becoming bitter with the world and everyone who had a job involving less hours and hassle, I could foresee the hours causing a straining on my marriage eventually, AND I couldn't ethically take the fact that I was being required to lie to customers every day.

So good for you if you enjoyed it, but I certainly don't think that everyone that leaves simply couldn't hack it....it's not that challenging of a job. It's a good place to start though. I certainly learned a lot....and the moved on to the next adventure.

To GP57,

I was thanking you for your reply and then replied back in reference to the comment you replied to. Thanks again for your input! I always enjoy your comments and posts.
:) E-radicated

you are ALL LOSERS if it makes you LOSERS feel better to pretend that life is better with the companies that accepted failures like you then good luck I guess it is the best you LOSERS can do

Originally Posted by I bleed green

you are ALL LOSERS if it makes you LOSERS feel better to pretend that life is better with the companies that accepted failures like you then good luck I guess it is the best you LOSERS can do

I have to say that you sir are f*cked. to actually look in the mirror and believe that you are a winner is the most absurd thing I have ever read on here. I usually see on this board that it is not that bad, etc, etc. But you actually believe that you landed and remain in a fortune 500 company. I mean i worked there and there is no denying that erac has it +'s, I mean short lived +'s none the less but there are bonuses to working there. But there is no denying that the negatives outway the positives over time. However the end of the road comes for 99% of the workforce before their 4th year. that is not a coincedence or dumb luck that happens either. It is because erac will suck the life out of year until you leave and then suck the life out of the next person and so on and so on. they chew up and spit out. it is the way the want it none the less which is thir perogative but for you to say that everybody is bragging about life outside and they were rejects and failures is as absurd as your screen handle. I can tell you this that as you grown older and the longer you work there your time will become more important then renting cars and going to happy hours. the life outside of erac is REAL and not filled with smoke and mirrors of erac's phrases: work hard play hard --- this is way a life not a job, a family --- 6 figures in 6 years --- action steps and IPC ---- roadmaps and BIG PICTURE talk... it is all bullshit for you to stay. the longer they can keep you the better but eventually they know you are going to leave they just don;t know when. the job is BULLSHIT AND ANYBODY WITH INTELLIGENCE CAN SEE IT EVENTUALLY WHEN THE SMOKE CLEARS.

Originally Posted by I bleed green

you are ALL LOSERS if it makes you LOSERS feel better to pretend that life is better with the companies that accepted failures like you then good luck I guess it is the best you LOSERS can do

I am not the one pretending. I am happier.
:)

I was doing well at ERAC. Obviously if I was able to take and pass my MQI - I must have been doing something right by ERAC standards.

Why are you so upset that I am happier somewhere else? Calm Down, you are not making rational sense by claiming we are losers because we disagree with you.

Is this Tom Walling?