Struck by an epiphany 8 months later....

Not necessarily true- as you well know the percentage given is worked off of how the branch has performed over the last six months.

When the company was going through a bad patch (18 months, 2 years ago) there were alot of people getting promoted as others quit, walking into branches on full pop.

At the end of the day 7% of nothing is fuck all, but there are times when flip is a healthy 3 figures which makes the pay ok.

Again, as you know this is never consistant, but it does show that if your branch regularly makes £100/car op you'll be ok through the months when the remarketers just about manage to sell 2 vauxhall corsas.

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Not necessarily true- as you well know the percentage given is worked off of how the branch has performed over the last six months.

When the company was going through a bad patch (18 months, 2 years ago) there were alot of people getting promoted as others quit, walking into branches on full pop.

At the end of the day 7% of nothing is fuck all, but there are times when flip is a healthy 3 figures which makes the pay ok.

Again, as you know this is never consistant, but it does show that if your branch regularly makes £100/car op you'll be ok through the months when the remarketers just about manage to sell 2 vauxhall corsas.

You're right in that the % is based on how the branch has performed in the previous 6 months, but U1 have a policy of not offering 7% to new branch managers. As such it is pretty impossible to earn any decent cash - especially 60/70k as a manager like it was three or four years ago.

The problem is you guys are going off either 2nd hand knowledge, or stuff you knew before you quit. Let me give you a run down........

Flip.
There are probably 2 really poor months in the year, November is the main one where flip was around £35/car. (yes, awefull). But there are also 3 or 4 great flip months in the year on the back of car sales. The last being September with a flip of around £190/car. You dont need a degree to work out why average Joes can make a good living. The average for the year is around £100/car.
When you add on the top braches OP of around £80-£120/car it means NET you should do £200/car + as an average over the 12 months.

Now lets just assume a 100 car branch, and lets face it most decent braches are 120-150 cars. £200 NET on 100 cars.

Now again, lets assume your right, BM's are not on 7% (which is rubbish as i know plenty of new and existing BMs on full pop 7.5%. But i will run with your opinion. £200 NET on 100 cars @ 5% over 12 months is £31k.
Now Im sure i dont have to work out for you the 150 car branches that do £220 net like mine on 6%.

You ask how many hours... Honestly? Im at work 0730 and leave at 1830 most days. Sometimes earlier sometimes later. If I work a saturday i go home at lunch time one day midweek. I do 50 hours or so a week. So yes its a long day, is it worth it?? A personal choice. But please, all those who have left dont go on and on and on. It didnt work out for you, fine. Things do change. I talk to LCAMs that have been out of rental for 12 months and they havent got a clue, the business has changed so much with RBS / Rate reviews / etc. So those of you that have left longer than that you may aswel forget pretty much everything you think you know.
As for you still working, if you cant make enough money to stop you bitching and crying, please, do the adult thing, fuck off and let someone else have a go. Failing that, do something about it and make the money we all deserve for our hard work.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The problem is you guys are going off either 2nd hand knowledge, or stuff you knew before you quit. Let me give you a run down........

Flip.
There are probably 2 really poor months in the year, November is the main one where flip was around £35/car. (yes, awefull). But there are also 3 or 4 great flip months in the year on the back of car sales. The last being September with a flip of around £190/car. You dont need a degree to work out why average Joes can make a good living. The average for the year is around £100/car.
When you add on the top braches OP of around £80-£120/car it means NET you should do £200/car + as an average over the 12 months.

Now lets just assume a 100 car branch, and lets face it most decent braches are 120-150 cars. £200 NET on 100 cars.

Now again, lets assume your right, BM's are not on 7% (which is rubbish as i know plenty of new and existing BMs on full pop 7.5%. But i will run with your opinion. £200 NET on 100 cars @ 5% over 12 months is £31k.
Now Im sure i dont have to work out for you the 150 car branches that do £220 net like mine on 6%.

You ask how many hours... Honestly? Im at work 0730 and leave at 1830 most days. Sometimes earlier sometimes later. If I work a saturday i go home at lunch time one day midweek. I do 50 hours or so a week. So yes its a long day, is it worth it?? A personal choice. But please, all those who have left dont go on and on and on. It didnt work out for you, fine. Things do change. I talk to LCAMs that have been out of rental for 12 months and they havent got a clue, the business has changed so much with RBS / Rate reviews / etc. So those of you that have left longer than that you may aswel forget pretty much everything you think you know.
As for you still working, if you cant make enough money to stop you bitching and crying, please, do the adult thing, fuck off and let someone else have a go. Failing that, do something about it and make the money we all deserve for our hard work.

keep repeating this bullshit, but you are only kidding yourself dick-head, branches OP figures 100-120/car?!!! what fucking planet are you on, how often is this actually achieved? once in a blue moon my green dick toking friend!
and as for the hours- they are shit, many many other jobs pay far more for less hours with better, genuine prospects, now go and stick your 'virtual MBA' up your ass. wanker.

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The problem is you guys are going off either 2nd hand knowledge, or stuff you knew before you quit. Let me give you a run down........

Flip.
There are probably 2 really poor months in the year, November is the main one where flip was around £35/car. (yes, awefull). But there are also 3 or 4 great flip months in the year on the back of car sales. The last being September with a flip of around £190/car. You dont need a degree to work out why average Joes can make a good living. The average for the year is around £100/car.
When you add on the top braches OP of around £80-£120/car it means NET you should do £200/car + as an average over the 12 months.

Now lets just assume a 100 car branch, and lets face it most decent braches are 120-150 cars. £200 NET on 100 cars.

Now again, lets assume your right, BM's are not on 7% (which is rubbish as i know plenty of new and existing BMs on full pop 7.5%. But i will run with your opinion. £200 NET on 100 cars @ 5% over 12 months is £31k.
Now Im sure i dont have to work out for you the 150 car branches that do £220 net like mine on 6%.

You ask how many hours... Honestly? Im at work 0730 and leave at 1830 most days. Sometimes earlier sometimes later. If I work a saturday i go home at lunch time one day midweek. I do 50 hours or so a week. So yes its a long day, is it worth it?? A personal choice. But please, all those who have left dont go on and on and on. It didnt work out for you, fine. Things do change. I talk to LCAMs that have been out of rental for 12 months and they havent got a clue, the business has changed so much with RBS / Rate reviews / etc. So those of you that have left longer than that you may aswel forget pretty much everything you think you know.
As for you still working, if you cant make enough money to stop you bitching and crying, please, do the adult thing, fuck off and let someone else have a go. Failing that, do something about it and make the money we all deserve for our hard work.

What a crock.

The used car market is in turmoil, very few branches make anywhere near that amount of profit - if they make profit at all.

Where you really let yourself down is the hours you supposedly work.

Even so, you're making £37k (if you are the previous poster) for circa 60 jours a week minimum, meaning you are on roughly £11/hour.

Thats before you factor in the last minute no-turn down deals. So much for running your own business.

I guess you can't hack life in a real job so prefer to be told what to do by people who are so far removed from the 'front line' that whilst you are out delivering cars at 10pm, hey are safely ensconced in their house whacking off over RALPH.

you both have no idea what your talking about! I have OP'd £100 + 4 times this year, i have not lost OP since 2005. If you half an ounce of common sense you can make money at this place.

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

you both have no idea what your talking about! I have OP'd £100 + 4 times this year, i have not lost OP since 2005. If you half an ounce of common sense you can make money at this place.

You are right.

However, the real decisions are not yours to make.

If ERAC want to take on more £9 delivery rates they will, without your input and leave you to pick up the pieces when you run out of cars and are forced to run about til stupid o' clock grabbing drops early and delivering them out without being prepped.

If you truly enjoy your job, then fine. More power to you. If you don't - like most of the people there, then no matter how much you earn, it isn't worth it. Get out and get a real job - it'll do you the world of good.

Oh, and don't be one of those "so and so left and he's flipping burgers" believers. If that was the case, what does it say about your job that the only equivalent role is working at a MaccyD's?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

the constant "belief" that erac management lie to their staff about salary is totally wrong. There is no benefit here as when they get promoted they will realise their is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, undermining the whole process.
In an anonymus forum what benefit is there to giving inflated salary figures. Im a BM on £37k this year - how? - its not rocket science. Yes its hard work, but the simple fact is 50% of the people on here cant hack it and are looking for someone else to blame.

Its not worth it. Most people's basic is more then £37k thats without breaking a sweat ! Forget the crap City Managers give about "Cant hack it or Scared of hard work"? Well why work hard when you can work smarter? Remember you make what you make after keeping everything in line like bad debt,Un Ins etc etc...

Remember if you are good your talent will be better paid for outside Erac in the proffesional world.

Originally Posted by Tim O' Tei

It is possible - you need to be on 7% though and ERAC no longer offer that to first-time BMs, so you'll have to spend three years building up to it.

I am on 7.5% and have been since starting as a BM. Get your facts right Herbal Essences!

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am on 7.5% and have been since starting as a BM. Get your facts right Herbal Essences!

In which case the branch had either just opened or was completely screwed. The likelihood of earning a decent amount - £40k+ is greatly diminished.





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