U4 In Crisis

[Living the new Dream]

Originally Posted by the8moss

I am still here. Its great to see that all the training has yeilded the people whom have left the ability to obtain all these great jobs.

After all, lets face it, the majority of people whom take on this job,are young people whom have just left education. They have no skills, and would fail most job interviews through lack of experience.

Regardless of what you think of the company, one must concede that the skills and demands that enterprise offers, gives one the opportunity to shine at a job interview.

As for people leaving, why not.

If they can get a better job with the skills they have developed, they why shouldn't they.


As for the people whom argue the money is not the same, well of course its not. So what.
The job still offers a lot more money and prospects than the majority of other graduate schemes.

Lets just for once appreciate what we have, instead of being so negative about enteprise.

I for one, enjoy the job, do not work more than 50 hours, and seldom wash a car. Those whom make these complaints, clearly are not managing themselves or their business, and I sugest they do something about it.

I'm not usually one to agree with the 8moss as I do believe he/she can be a little too company orientated and forget about how unfair ERAC treats its staff. However I must agree with some of whet the 8moss has said. ERAC certainly does give a lot of people a start on the career ladder, and certainly for the first year you learn a lot and gather many skills which are useful in later life. Clearly the main issue lies with the treatment you primarily receive once you have passed (except in the case of slutty SB) your 'grill' (or at least that is what it used to be before they promoted everyone to MA based on length of service). Your work hours suddenly become longer, your pay per hour gets smaller and you are treated like scum from the upper management.

Unfortunately, the rest of what the 8moss says does border on the green side, as the majority of other graduate schemes DO pay more money and more importantly offer a much better career path and prospects.

My advice, if you absolutely have to then do your first year, get promoted because everyone above you has left, then leave yourself. You certainly will have benefitted from the experience and will definitely appreciate the benefits of a proper company and realise how not to treat people.

[Karma_Police]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

you dumb bastard!! all of them are worthless short sighted pricks. they have all got bored of this shitty web site and are going to be another drain on my tax. losers all.fuck off

cocksucker.

Originally Posted by the8moss

I am still here. Its great to see that all the training has yeilded the people whom have left the ability to obtain all these great jobs.

After all, lets face it, the majority of people whom take on this job,are young people whom have just left education. They have no skills, and would fail most job interviews through lack of experience.

Regardless of what you think of the company, one must concede that the skills and demands that enterprise offers, gives one the opportunity to shine at a job interview.

As for people leaving, why not.

If they can get a better job with the skills they have developed, they why shouldn't they.


As for the people whom argue the money is not the same, well of course its not. So what.
The job still offers a lot more money and prospects than the majority of other graduate schemes.

Lets just for once appreciate what we have, instead of being so negative about enteprise.

I for one, enjoy the job, do not work more than 50 hours, and seldom wash a car. Those whom make these complaints, clearly are not managing themselves or their business, and I sugest they do something about it.

Well done for working 25% more hours than the rest of the real world.... Congratulations for justifying this to yourself and living the dream - I did 10 years but when the money turned out to be less than 25% better than elsewhere I left. Live for yourself, not ERAC.

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by the8moss

I am still here. Its great to see that all the training has yeilded the people whom have left the ability to obtain all these great jobs.

After all, lets face it, the majority of people whom take on this job,are young people whom have just left education. They have no skills, and would fail most job interviews through lack of experience.

Regardless of what you think of the company, one must concede that the skills and demands that enterprise offers, gives one the opportunity to shine at a job interview.

As for people leaving, why not.

If they can get a better job with the skills they have developed, they why shouldn't they.


As for the people whom argue the money is not the same, well of course its not. So what.
The job still offers a lot more money and prospects than the majority of other graduate schemes.

Lets just for once appreciate what we have, instead of being so negative about enteprise.

I for one, enjoy the job, do not work more than 50 hours, and seldom wash a car. Those whom make these complaints, clearly are not managing themselves or their business, and I sugest they do something about it.

I agree that you develop skills but this is in spite of the structure and management at ERAc, not because of it. I learned to cover my own arse and make sure everything was done correctly because I knew that if push came to shove, my area manager would blame his staff for anything that went wrong.

Don't kid yourself that the ERAC MBA shite is actually real. It's a crappy job where ground level staff are churned. The pay is crap compared to most graduate schemes - even MacDonalds pays nearly twice as much to it's managers as a base.

As for you not washing a car or working over 50 hours a week, you're either deluding yourself or your staff think that you are a lazy bastard.

[the8moss]

Ok, so you know a Mc Donalds that pays a base rate of around £30k a year?? As for taking the blame for your manager, surely you realise that you are a trainee manager, and thus are accountable. Additionally, so is your manager.

If you think that you can get a better carear working for Mc Donalds, go do it. I for one have been there, and woud not go back to working until 5 am cleaning milk shake machines on a detailed close!!!

You think enterprise is bad, and sure one could concede that life as a MT is tuff, try working for Mc Donalds. At least with Enterprise, if you can do the job ( a big if for the many people whom post on this site), there are prospects and development.

Should you not be capable of doing the job, then resign yourself to criticising the others within the company whom have done well, or go and get a job that promises over the odds pay, and limited hours. There you will find, that you work many hours, unpaid and do not earn what you are initially promissed.

there are a lot of similarities between a career at McD's and ERAC.

Cleaning milkshake machines/ cleaning cars.

Dealing with horrible customers shouting about how long their big mac is taking/ dealing with horrible customers moaning about how late their car is.

Low pay/ low pay

Brain dead job/ brain dead job.

Boring/ boring.

The list goes on....

Originally Posted by Unregistered

there are a lot of similarities between a career at McD's and ERAC.

Cleaning milkshake machines/ cleaning cars.

Dealing with horrible customers shouting about how long their big mac is taking/ dealing with horrible customers moaning about how late their car is.

Low pay/ low pay

Brain dead job/ brain dead job.

Boring/ boring.

The list goes on....

yeah, but at least mcD's dont try and inflate burger flipping into some world changing activity, they way erac try and inflate renting cars into something its just not.

that is a good point. renting cars is not a job which takes very much skill at all. the vast majority of people at enterprise are no more than retail employees who are told what to do, when to do, and are rated on one skill and one skill only: the ability to make customers take damage waiver.

the typical day invloves cleaning cars and shipping people around the region to and from homes, erac and garages. this is without doubt the majority of your day. and the only skill it takes is the ability to drive and wash a car.

also 8moss, come on. never more than 50 hours a week? that's nonsense. i by the way never work more than 35 hours a week. even if you're telling the truth, (which anyone at erac knows you are patently not), you work 15 hours more than me every single week renting cars. great.

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by the8moss

Ok, so you know a Mc Donalds that pays a base rate of around £30k a year?? As for taking the blame for your manager, surely you realise that you are a trainee manager, and thus are accountable. Additionally, so is your manager.

If you think that you can get a better carear working for Mc Donalds, go do it. I for one have been there, and woud not go back to working until 5 am cleaning milk shake machines on a detailed close!!!

You think enterprise is bad, and sure one could concede that life as a MT is tuff, try working for Mc Donalds. At least with Enterprise, if you can do the job ( a big if for the many people whom post on this site), there are prospects and development.

Should you not be capable of doing the job, then resign yourself to criticising the others within the company whom have done well, or go and get a job that promises over the odds pay, and limited hours. There you will find, that you work many hours, unpaid and do not earn what you are initially promissed.

Firstly I dont work for ERAC any more. Like many people I have realised it is a pathetic sham of a place and that certain individuals believe anything they are told. The gullibility of soem of the workers is nothing short of astounding. ERAC is bad. There is no doubt in my or many others minds about that. As for McD's I never said it was better. I was merely making a comparison between two similar companies. Heaven knows that it is an example thrown up whenever someone leaves.

Oh, and by the way, don't you think that your managers are basically calling you and all the other workers idiots when nthey suggest all leavers go to work in McDonalds? Are they saying that is the only place fit for ERACians? If so what does that say aout the esteem they hold you in or how much they value the non-existent training that ERAC has to offer? Are they in effect saying that any strategically shaved chimp can do your job?

McDs is probably a crap job. But it is a crap job paying twice as much as ERAC from day one for the same skills. Heaven forfend that you wouldn't want to clean out milkshake machines instead of cars on a pissing down day in a suit. ERAC itself is an easy job made difficult by inadequate yes-men upper management who will throw you under the bus as soon as look at you.

Now if you truly believe that ERAC is a career and more importantly it is the career for you, then fine. But please don't expect us to believe you work the hours you suggested because we all know that it's bullshit. Additionally I would try not to believe your managers line that everyone who has left simply 'couldn't hack it'. Ask them to define hacking it. Ask them why anyone should hack a job. Do you honestly believe that everyone who has left has failed in a job that essentially relise on renting cars? Or can you see that these people couldn't stand being told that they were running their own business when in truth they had absolutely no say in anything that went on?

If it is the former, then you are more naive than I thought possible.

No Timmy it was just you that had no say cos you were shit and a failure thats why you now work for the government ha ha ha