The Gay Marriage Debate Thread

[FailingEnterpriseAdmin]

Originally Posted by slave no more

That's ridiculous.....utterly ridiculous. At 14 you cannot drive, watch most horror movies, rent a car....rent anything, have a credit card, ride a bike without a helmet etc.....but you can get married? There are some days I truly wonder what the fuck is wrong with people.

Dude, it's before 07:00 where you are; how can you get so fired up so early in the morning?

Originally Posted by FailingEnterpriseAdmin

Dude, it's before 07:00 where you are; how can you get so fired up so early in the morning?

It's even earlier in California!

[slave no more]

Originally Posted by FailingEnterpriseAdmin

Dude, it's before 07:00 where you are; how can you get so fired up so early in the morning?

I used to work for ERAC. What do you expect...there are still some days I have nightmares about customers wanting to return cars to my house.......actually I just see this stuff and think what if my kids were abused like this and it makes me really pissed. That's all....but the day has been wonderful so far other than that :-).

[Sportin' Ravenwood]

Originally Posted by Grover

I had to go back and read a few pages to see what's Robert's position was, needless to say, there is still confusion.

He's against nambla (as we all seem to be), he's against polygamy (we all seem to be), he's thinks the aclu is way left and often off base (as many do), he has previously said he doesn't care if gays marry...(either do I)....

Some how we agree on all the major points yet he's created 5 pages of ridiculous arguments.

His argument is that NAMBLA needs to be stopped, isn't that what we all think? Groups like NAMBLA will take their time to work the system until they get what they want. Ages of consent can be lowered easily, gay marriages can be legalized, etc etc until they break down the door. Sometimes you don't need to win the war with one bomb, you do it with little shots. Now, I am not saying that NAMBLA will win and get what they want but it is a group that needs to be watched and stopped.

[FailingEnterpriseAdmin]

Originally Posted by Sportin' Ravenwood

His argument is that NAMBLA needs to be stopped, isn't that what we all think? Groups like NAMBLA will take their time to work the system until they get what they want. Ages of consent can be lowered easily, gay marriages can be legalized, etc etc until they break down the door. Sometimes you don't need to win the war with one bomb, you do it with little shots. Now, I am not saying that NAMBLA will win and get what they want but it is a group that needs to be watched and stopped.

So long as we all understand that there's a big difference between sex with children (too young to give consent, by whatever standard the state sets) and sex with other adults (gay marriage, etc.). The first one's a crime, but allowing the second doesn't lead to more of the first.

Originally Posted by FailingEnterpriseAdmin

So long as we all understand that there's a big difference between sex with children (too young to give consent, by whatever standard the state sets) and sex with other adults (gay marriage, etc.). The first one's a crime, but allowing the second doesn't lead to more of the first.

why do you think they need the aclu? who else can twist the law better than them?

[Steve Williams]

Originally Posted by FailingEnterpriseAdmin

So long as we all understand that there's a big difference between sex with children (too young to give consent, by whatever standard the state sets) and sex with other adults (gay marriage, etc.). The first one's a crime, but allowing the second doesn't lead to more of the first.

But what is too young? No matter what number you say, someone else will have another opinion. The courts have the power.

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Dom182

Nice made up numbers. No matter what you say my math holds true on profits from gas. It is about 8 or 9% of their total profits. If you can show me where they get 10 billion in profits from gas at current prices minus all the associated costs, then fine I will agree with you. Now until you can do this you have no legs to stand on in this argument.

Also where dfo you think the oil reinvestment goes to? It goes to exploration and research. Much of that research is into alternative fuels.

Also aside from the fact that many states and the federal government make more off a gallon of gas than does the oil company. The government then double dips on this in taxing the oil companies profits, which I believe the tax liability on Exxon alone last year was 30 billion. Not certain on that number but I know it was close, just don't have the time right now to research it.

Quit dodging my challenge to you.

[Care to explain to me how their gross revenue jumped from 87 billion quarterly revenue to 117 billion quarterly revenue, a 25% increase, in ONE year? You say that they make money for the volume of sales, but certainly we didn't start consuming 25% more gas in a year, did we?]

Go google their balance sheet for reference. You're the one trying to tell me that they make their money on volume sales, yet their net revenue have nearly double within the past few years.

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by M.oneyI.sA.M.ajorI.ssue

It is called capitalism, dickwad. If you cannot afford gasoline, get a better job with higher pay or go back to college.

Evading taxes, Fed printing out money out of thin air, and essentially stealing the value of your money is capitalism?

Seriously little boy, get an education in American history and economics before mouth off like an imbecile. I have no problems with gas. In fact, I enjoy seeing gas prices being so high and watch spoiled pigs like you squeal about your debts and foreclosures.

I work for one of the biggest European companies in the world, you know, like the countries that are buying out the American companies and real estate one by one? That and I take the mass transit, paid by my company, to work. Oh, and not to mention, they bought the shoes for me to wear to work too. Trust me, I'll be just fine. Go to the West Coast, New England area, Vancouver, etc... and you'll see all of these Asians buying real estate in the West and they have a ton of money to do so, while most Americans are enslaved to debt for the rest of their lives. Social security? HAH! 401k? That'll be gone soon. Have fun living the American dream.

When you're unemployed and broke working at Wal-mart, please come back and tell me, "It's called capitalism, dickwad." The U.S. is actually no longer a free trade captalistic country. Protectionism is growing more and more rampant, but you wouldn't know anything about that.

From now on, don't complain about the emerging number of illegal immigrants that your government will be sending in to take your jobs. Don't complain about your government allowing the offshoring American companies' jobs overseas. And don't complain when you're taxed at 40%-50% to help the government pay back their 13 trillion dollar debt.

...Because I'll just say to you, "It's called neoliberal federalism, dickwad." It's basically modern feudalism, if you ever grow a brain to figure it out. But don't worry, Wal-mart or target is going to give you the slogan "4 years, 6 figures."

[Dom182]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Quit dodging my challenge to you.

[Care to explain to me how their gross revenue jumped from 87 billion quarterly revenue to 117 billion quarterly revenue, a 25% increase, in ONE year? You say that they make money for the volume of sales, but certainly we didn't start consuming 25% more gas in a year, did we?]

Go google their balance sheet for reference. You're the one trying to tell me that they make their money on volume sales, yet their net revenue have nearly double within the past few years.

Quit dodging the math. Math doesn't lie, can't be fooled. You try to charge their quarterly revenue to gas but the numbers just don't work for you so you avoid them pointing only to the revenue. Do you think all they do is sell gas?

They get paid to do exporation for other companies. When they find a huge coal deposit they sell the rights for mining, they Lease oil fields to other companies, develop new energy. They make a buttload on natural gas and have a huge profits on petroleum products. They make more on synthetic rubber than they make on gas. A quart of motor oil is 5 bucks, three of that is profit, and there is a lot of oil sold. Hydraulic fluid is another huge money maker. Do you like platics, everything tese days is made of plastic so more profit. Hell the screen your looking at and the keyboard you type on represents profits for the oil companies.

Their balance sheet and total revenue aren't the issue here, it is how much they make from fuel sales. Again untill you can dispute the basic math you don't have a leg to stand on no matter how many times you try it just doesn't add up.