Hey Dom! How do you feel about Reaganomics now!?

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That is why I am voting Obama. His tax plan will create jobs by taxing businesses and the rich it will force job creation and broaden the tax base. It will also cut down on the greenhouse effect as Obama's plans will eliminate pollution in the United States by 2010. Also, under Obama the country will need less military since Iraq and Afghanistan are illegal wars.

Hahahaha, the best way to create jobs is to let the economy collapse and not do anything about it. That way, job cuts will only be temporary. But now that Obama is going to force higher minimum wage, more spending, and more government intervention, these double digit unemployment rates will last for at least A DECADE.

Obama is a good guy, but I hope he's just saying what everyone wants to hear him say just to get elected. At least Obama recognizes that we need to free our country from being dependent on foreign oil. We've basically allocated half our wealth to Russia and the Middle East.

As for Reagan, Dom is an idiot for actually believing that Reagan brought this country real permanent prosperity. Now over 60% of our oil comes from imports and all of the bubbles are finally bursting. We're either going to have severe deflation or hyperinflation thanks to Greenspan, who was appointed by Reagan. We need to bring Volcker back.

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Dom182

Your kidding me right, this is a result of the democratic congress and house denying there was a problem. Consistently turning a blind eye to the problems that wre coming from the lending practices they forced into the system.

Hell even Alec Baldwin a far lefty admits and blames dems for this problem.

By the way went to China. I have to admit it is a cool coutry. One of the cities I was in was Wuhan, freakin beautiful city. The history there is incredible.

Dom, Democrats didn't take over Congress until 2006. If you don't think Republicans, the ones who appointed Greenspan and Bernanke to prop up the real estate bubble, then you're being extremely biased.

I'm glad you liked China. A lot of leftist morons protested more about Tibet and the Olympics than the 810 billion dollars bailout. By the way, what brought you to Wuhan? I have never been there, but I am going to China this Christmas for 3 weeks to Shanghai, Beijing, Changsha, Hong Kong, and Shenzhen.

[Dom182]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Dom, Democrats didn't take over Congress until 2006. If you don't think Republicans, the ones who appointed Greenspan and Bernanke to prop up the real estate bubble, then you're being extremely biased.

I'm glad you liked China. A lot of leftist morons protested more about Tibet and the Olympics than the 810 billion dollars bailout. By the way, what brought you to Wuhan? I have never been there, but I am going to China this Christmas for 3 weeks to Shanghai, Beijing, Changsha, Hong Kong, and Shenzhen.

Three Gorges Dam. Fucking huge by the way. Working some of the logistics for the last generator install and the install of the Bentley software. I originally landed in Hong Kong and spent 3 days there. Big busy city. Still haven't decided if I liked it. It's so commercialized and lacks the flavor of Wuhan.

Now 32. The dems were the ones who prodded freddie and fannie to buy up subprime morgages. The dems are also who attacked anyone who looked into bad bookeeping practices. They shot down any kind of bill that would put limits on subprime lending. In December 2007, Bush tried to pass legislation to modernize the FHA, reform the tax code to help homeowners refinance, pass funding for mortgage counseling and pass legislation to reform GSEs like Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. All of this was shot down by the dems. Pelosi actually said "it is irresponsible to blame Fannie mae and Freddie mac in this crisis. It is part of the ongoing and dishonest attack by the Bush admininistration upon honest lenders who provide vital financial services to those of us who have less than perfect credit." Hmmm don't see that in the media do we.

Now I also blame the republicans, the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act was their fault, and opened the door. Clinton should have known better though and vetoed it. Then if for no other reason than they let it happen. Maybe it was because they opened the door, who knows.

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Dom, Democrats didn't take over Congress until 2006. If you don't think Republicans, the ones who appointed Greenspan and Bernanke to prop up the real estate bubble, then you're being extremely biased.

I'm glad you liked China. A lot of leftist morons protested more about Tibet and the Olympics than the 810 billion dollars bailout. By the way, what brought you to Wuhan? I have never been there, but I am going to China this Christmas for 3 weeks to Shanghai, Beijing, Changsha, Hong Kong, and Shenzhen.

Good, you should stay there you fuckin' idiot!

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Dom182

Three Gorges Dam. Fucking huge by the way. Working some of the logistics for the last generator install and the install of the Bentley software. I originally landed in Hong Kong and spent 3 days there. Big busy city. Still haven't decided if I liked it. It's so commercialized and lacks the flavor of Wuhan.

Now 32. The dems were the ones who prodded freddie and fannie to buy up subprime morgages. The dems are also who attacked anyone who looked into bad bookeeping practices. They shot down any kind of bill that would put limits on subprime lending. In December 2007, Bush tried to pass legislation to modernize the FHA, reform the tax code to help homeowners refinance, pass funding for mortgage counseling and pass legislation to reform GSEs like Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. All of this was shot down by the dems. Pelosi actually said "it is irresponsible to blame Fannie mae and Freddie mac in this crisis. It is part of the ongoing and dishonest attack by the Bush admininistration upon honest lenders who provide vital financial services to those of us who have less than perfect credit." Hmmm don't see that in the media do we.

Now I also blame the republicans, the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act was their fault, and opened the door. Clinton should have known better though and vetoed it. Then if for no other reason than they let it happen. Maybe it was because they opened the door, who knows.

If sightseeing and cultural beauty is your thing, then Hong Kong isn't the best place to go. Personally, I'm a big city guy, so I'm sure I'm going to absolutely love Hong Kong, especially with such low sales taxes that they have.

Dom, you don't have to sell me on how Pelosi needs to be decapitated; the same goes for Barney Frank, he and Pelosi are the two biggest supporters of the massive bailout bills and have been pushing the subprime lending to irresponsible homeowners.

Now let's get to the root of this problem. I'm glad that you're holding the Republican party and the Bush administration responsible for some of the problems. You're not as biased as I thought you were. Greenspan, appointed by Reagan by the way, and Phil Gramm were amongst the leading contributers of repealing the Glass-Steagall Act. You can blame Bill Clinton all you want, I think he was a culprit as well, but he was just mostly doing what Greenspan had suggested. These problems all started with Reagan and Greenspan; they are the root of this cause.

I know you and Robert both think that Carter was a horrible president, but I actually thought he was on the right track with his vision for the country. Granted he was a horrible politician because he refused to be an appeaser and add pork to pass a bill, but he wanted to break our ties from foreign oil to avoid dependence on foreign oil and allocating our wealth to the Middle East. He did not want our nation to become a nation of consumers in debt.

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

If sightseeing and cultural beauty is your thing, then Hong Kong isn't the best place to go. Personally, I'm a big city guy, so I'm sure I'm going to absolutely love Hong Kong, especially with such low sales taxes that they have.

Dom, you don't have to sell me on how Pelosi needs to be decapitated; the same goes for Barney Frank, he and Pelosi are the two biggest supporters of the massive bailout bills and have been pushing the subprime lending to irresponsible homeowners.

Now let's get to the root of this problem. I'm glad that you're holding the Republican party and the Bush administration responsible for some of the problems. You're not as biased as I thought you were. Greenspan, appointed by Reagan by the way, and Phil Gramm were amongst the leading contributers of repealing the Glass-Steagall Act. You can blame Bill Clinton all you want, I think he was a culprit as well, but he was just mostly doing what Greenspan had suggested. These problems all started with Reagan and Greenspan; they are the root of this cause.

I know you and Robert both think that Carter was a horrible president, but I actually thought he was on the right track with his vision for the country. Granted he was a horrible politician because he refused to be an appeaser and add pork to pass a bill, but he wanted to break our ties from foreign oil to avoid dependence on foreign oil and allocating our wealth to the Middle East. He did not want our nation to become a nation of consumers in debt.

That is why Obama is coming to change things, dumbfuck!

[Ballsac T. Baghar]

Originally Posted by OBAMA CHRIST

That is why Obama is coming to change things, dumbfuck!

I pray this is sarcasm.

[Dom182]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

If sightseeing and cultural beauty is your thing, then Hong Kong isn't the best place to go. Personally, I'm a big city guy, so I'm sure I'm going to absolutely love Hong Kong, especially with such low sales taxes that they have.

Dom, you don't have to sell me on how Pelosi needs to be decapitated; the same goes for Barney Frank, he and Pelosi are the two biggest supporters of the massive bailout bills and have been pushing the subprime lending to irresponsible homeowners.

Now let's get to the root of this problem. I'm glad that you're holding the Republican party and the Bush administration responsible for some of the problems. You're not as biased as I thought you were. Greenspan, appointed by Reagan by the way, and Phil Gramm were amongst the leading contributers of repealing the Glass-Steagall Act. You can blame Bill Clinton all you want, I think he was a culprit as well, but he was just mostly doing what Greenspan had suggested. These problems all started with Reagan and Greenspan; they are the root of this cause.

I know you and Robert both think that Carter was a horrible president, but I actually thought he was on the right track with his vision for the country. Granted he was a horrible politician because he refused to be an appeaser and add pork to pass a bill, but he wanted to break our ties from foreign oil to avoid dependence on foreign oil and allocating our wealth to the Middle East. He did not want our nation to become a nation of consumers in debt.

I kept trying to tell you I am in the center, I just lean republican becuase the fiscal side is the most important to me.

I am still not going to blame Reagan. Way too many things have happened since he was president to lay it at his feet. Not to mention the dems held both house and senate for 8 years after his presidency. 4 of those 8 years they had a supermajority and could have pushed anything they wanted through, but didn't. I don't really blame Clinton, I just think he should have known better.

As for Carter. You have to understand that I was 7 when he became president. During his presidency about 2 years in, my dad lost his company, tax rate killed him and business was down, and my mom lost her job as a secretary. For the next three years they struggled working wherever they could. My mom as a bartender, dad as basically day labor for construction. I remember watching the Iran hostage crisis on TV and how innefectual we were to get them back. Then comes Reagan, and I do realize my perception is a bit jaded because of my personal situation, but during Reagan my parents got back on their feet, the Iranians released the hostages. etc etc. That is just a smal part of it.

Carter was a nice guy but he couldn't get anything done.

Hong Kong. Some nice parts but, a lot of it is a shithole. Wuhan is no slouch on size though, something like 9 million. It was just less commercialized. Hong Kong is like a big Vegas shopping mall, bright, shiny, glitzy, everything is for sale, and a lot of rude people.

Wuhan, while freakin hot and humid as shit, and we got a mini monsoon, still was pretty cool. I was surpised by the number of people I met that spoke english, and how polite they were. That is what struck me the most. Only real problem I had there is I hate seafood, to the point of it makes me naseous and it is everywhere. I don't even like the smell. I speak very very little mandarin so lets say sometimes, when our translater wasn't there or was busy, there was confusion. See whiteboy gag.

I kept trying to tell you I am in the center, I just lean republican becuase the fiscal side is the most important to me.

Ha Ha Ha Republicans fiscally conservative? They are the party of borrow and spend, borrow and spend. Bush tripled the debt to a ballooning 13 Trillion buddy. You are brain dead.

[Dom182]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I kept trying to tell you I am in the center, I just lean republican becuase the fiscal side is the most important to me.

Ha Ha Ha Republicans fiscally conservative? They are the party of borrow and spend, borrow and spend. Bush tripled the debt to a ballooning 13 Trillion buddy. You are brain dead.

As I have said repeatedly, BUsh is not a fiscal conservative. He never met a spending bill he didn't like and has forgotten where the veto pen is. I think maybe you need to learn how the government actually works before you call someone brain dead. Where do you think these bills come from? Do you think the president writes and passes spending bills? Congress and Senate my boy. He doesn't make them up out of whole cloth. Did you know that Congress recently passed a 14.82 trillion dollar budget resolution? That is 721 billion more than they take in tax revenue. This is the same democrtic congress that promised not to spend on any project unless they already had funds. Seems they lied.