All Muslims Are Not Terrorists, But All Terrorists Are Muslims

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Steve Williams

That's what this site has become? A place where prick's like this put down America and it's troops? Go back to washing cars rental monkey.

So you would support your government and troops no matter what they do? You're the brainwashed Nazist E-Chimp, not me. I'm currently a biotech scientist getting a Ph.D while working full time.

[Mr. Electricity]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Robert, I'm certainly not going to defend the Koran. But being a former fundamentalist Christian theologian, I would suggest for us to not be hypocritical because the Bible certainly isn't any better, perhaps even worse. Today's so-called Christians nitpick the hippie liberal Jesus verses while they totally disregard the message of genocide, discrimination, non-existence of free will, and predestination. Basically, monotheism mentally enslaves people to commit atrocities justified by their God.

No one is going to read all of that, because all your doing is copying and pasting whatever titles that you find fitting to your severely biased view. You pick out any immoral acts and blame Middle Easterners as a whole and you do the same with Asian countries as well while justifying all of the atrocities of the U.S.. How do you expect to receive any credibility with from non-extremists with such blatant bias?

muslims burn shit and blow things up
you are stupid to think otherwise you ingrate

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Baller1

Robert, you still don't get it. You hold a minority of hostile, dumb and aggressive muslims accountable for every action in relations to war. Just in case you stupid redneck might have forgotten this, the USA invaded a souvereign country in 2003, without ANY reasonable proof. And muslims here are a minority, according to your own account. I can see your point to some extend, but you are stereotyping, and thats definitely NOT the right way to approach the issue. I thing you are a very good US citizen, but sometimes to get your point accross you go a bit overboard. Is it really the whole country of Afghanistan who is against the US? No its not, its the Taliban and its supporters, which were partially funded by Bush Sr. Have I ever heard you complaining about it? No of course no since you are a bit narrow minded. I would love to met you in person since you seem to be somewhat smart, I just can't stand narrow minded people with a certain mindset without any willingness to adjust. Send me a private message if you want to discuss, I am game for that:)

History of terrorism

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Baller1

Robert, you still don't get it. You hold a minority of hostile, dumb and aggressive muslims accountable for every action in relations to war. Just in case you stupid redneck might have forgotten this, the USA invaded a souvereign country in 2003, without ANY reasonable proof. And muslims here are a minority, according to your own account. I can see your point to some extend, but you are stereotyping, and thats definitely NOT the right way to approach the issue. I thing you are a very good US citizen, but sometimes to get your point accross you go a bit overboard. Is it really the whole country of Afghanistan who is against the US? No its not, its the Taliban and its supporters, which were partially funded by Bush Sr. Have I ever heard you complaining about it? No of course no since you are a bit narrow minded. I would love to met you in person since you seem to be somewhat smart, I just can't stand narrow minded people with a certain mindset without any willingness to adjust. Send me a private message if you want to discuss, I am game for that:)

1970
• February 21: A bomb explodes in the rear of Swissair Flight 330, causing it to crash near Zürich, Switzerland, killing 38 passengers and all 9 crew members.It was done bby Palestinian group PFLP
• May 8: Avivim school bus massacre by Palestinian PLO members, killing nine children, three adults and crippling 19.
1972
• Four PLO terrorists hijacked a Sabena airliner carrying 99 passengers and 10 crew members on route from Brussels to Tel Aviv. In a mission entitled Operation Isotope, 16 members of Sayeret Matkal posed as refueling and technical personnel and stormed the plane, killing the terrorists and releasing the passengers.
• September 5: Black September kidnaps and kills 11 Israeli Olympic athletes and one German policeman in the Munich Massacre.
1973
• March 1: Black September takes ten hostages (five of them diplomats) at the Saudi Arabian embassy in Khartoum, Sudan. Three western diplomats are killed
1974
• April 11: Kiryat Shmona massacre at an apartment building by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine members, killing 18 people, 9 of whom were children
• May 15: Ma'alot massacre at the Ma'alot High School in Northern Israel by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine members: 26 of the hostages were killed, 66 wounded.
• September 8: TWA Flight 841: Bomb kills 88 on jetliner. Youth Organization in Beruit Claims responsibility.
1975
• March 5: In the Savoy Operation PLO gunmen from Lebanon take dozens of hostages at the Tel Aviv Savoy Hotel eventually killing eight hostages and three IDF soldiers, and wounding 11 hostages.
1976
• : June 26–July 4: Hijacking of Air France Flight 139 by Palestinian PFLP and German Revolutionäre Zellen(Tel Aviv-Paris); Operation Entebbe: 4 hostages, one Sayeret Matkal soldier and 45 Ugandian soldiers killed.
1977
• March 9: Three buildings in Washington, DC are seized and over 100 hostages taken. Washington city councilman Marion ????? is shot in the chest during the incident and after a standoff all hostages are released from the District building, B'nai B'rith, and the Islamic Center.
1978
• March 11: Coastal Road massacre: Fatah gunmen killed several tourists and hijack a bus near Haifa; 37 Israelis on the bus are killed.
1979
• 2 November: Sunni militant group of 1, 300 to 1,500 men seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca Saudi Arabia.
• November 4: Iran hostage crisis, a 444-day standoff during which student proxies of the new Iranian regime held hostage 66 diplomats and citizens of the United States inside the U.S. embassy in Tehran.

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Robert

History of terrorism

Do you expect them not to retaliate after decades of bombing, occupation, mass murders, and installing dictators on their land? Oh I get it, you're one of those guys that still believe that they hate you for your freedom and liberty.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Do you expect them not to retaliate after decades of bombing, occupation, mass murders, and installing dictators on their land? Oh I get it, you're one of those guys that still believe that they hate you for your freedom and liberty.

ISLAM Islamic terrorism, a disease within the Muslim world - Asia News


Islamic terrorism, a disease within the Muslim world
by Samir Khalil Samir, sj


The West is not the only victim of Islamic violence, it also targets Buddhists, Hindus and other Muslims, Sunni and Shiite. Islamism and Shariah are the unjust wounds of which Islam must be healed.


Beirut (AsiaNews) – There are those who often attempt to justify Islamic violence by labelling it “a reaction to attacks from the Western world”. In reality, islamist violence is a disease within the Muslim world. It has its origins within the same Muslim world that is within the Koran and Sunnah, when they are read in a literal way and supported by the so-called radical Islamism.

Manifestations of Islamism

The evil produced by this position is plain for all to see. At a political level there is despotism, dictatorships and – in the best cases – authoritarianism and absence of democracy. It suffices to see the ease with which people are put to death, or – at best – put in prison…in a similar way it’s what we see in countries governed by communism or by “scientific atheism” or by the more banal, tribalism.

On a moral level, there are injustices or there is a lack of freedom, but above all the desire to impose good and prevent evil, such as when the Koran demands “good to be ordered and evil forbidden” (al-amr bi-l-ma’rûf, wa-n-nahy ‘an al-munkar). The scourge of islamist regimes is seen in the stoning of adulterous women (but not of the men who according to the Koran and Sunnah, should be subjected to the same punishment, even if the Koran never actually provides for lapidating in this case); in the hanging of homosexuals beneath the gaze of the Shariah enforces; in the condemning to death of apostates; in the amputation of thieves limbs (opposing hands and feet, as provided for by the Koran in certain cases).

The most aggressive violence with which Islamism manifests itself today is terrorism. There is terrorism against non believers: in such cases Islamism willingly uses propaganda to incite hatred against the Jews and Christians: Jews are described as “apes” and “pigs”, with reference to the Koran 5:60 (also see Koran 2;65 e 7:166), and Christians as “crusaders” (salîbiyyûn). There is also terrorism against the West, grouped together as being atheist and immoral.

The West’s overtures to Islam

Often in the West, so called “progressives” are heard to say - and I have always wondered what progress they have brought about in the analyses of the situation and reflection on the phenomenon - that one must not simply stop at terrorism but search for it’s cause. Which, of course, is true. According to them the cause is found in imperialism, colonialism, the state of Israel, economic liberalism, etc.. in short the West. But in their analyses they fail to include the corruption of customs – homosexuality, cohabitation outside marriage, sexual freedom, abortion, pornography and a widespread sexualization of society, etc – which certainly deeply offend the spiritual sensibility of the Muslim world …. But these seem to be “progressive virtues”.

But if it were true that Islamic terrorism was simply a reaction to Western injustices, then how do they explain the terrorism carried out against the Buddhists. Why then have islamists slaughtered thousands of Buddhists in Thailand? And how do they explain the destruction of some of the most ancient giant statutes of Buddha in Afghanistan? Why is there violence against the Hindu in India? How do they explain what we see every day with our own eyes, the terrorist violence between Shiite and Sunni Muslims in Iraq? Has it all really been caused by American Imperialism? And how do they explain the 150 thousand Algerians systematically massacred in Algeria in the ‘90’s? Was it really caused by French colonialism? And the violence unfolding in Palestine between Hamas and Fatah, is that really the result of Israeli cruelty?

No: with utmost certainty, the terrorist violence of the islamists, contrary to what many believe in the West, is not a reaction to “western aggressions”. The cause is found within a certain current of Muslim thought.

Islamic terrorism is caused by Islamism

The truth is that Islamic terrorism is caused by Islamism that is by a certain reading of the Koran and Sunnah, which has spread throughout the most famous Islamic schools and universities such as Cairo’s Al-Azhar. Islamic terrorism is caused by Salafism Salafism, that is a blind adherence to the tradition of the ancients, of those who went before us (salaf), a literal and immoveable reading, without life, without soul. This with regards to the Sunni world.

In the Shiite world, the Khomeini theory of the “wilâyat al-faqîh” – according to which the ideal state is that which is governed by the most gifted faqîh, a shariah specialist – opened the door to the all forms of extremism, in the name of shariah, by deciding the daily life of the people and of society.

It is important not to confuse Islam with Islamism, but it is just as important to urge Muslims to reject Islamism a san alteration of authentic Islam and to counter this violent and invasive tendency.

[erudite"eracer"]

Hey 32, have you ever heard of the concept, "guilt by association?" It is astonishing how you blame America for all of these global transgressions yet still collect an American paycheck.....A true paradox if you ask me. Go back to China and leave the American dream that your parent's risked life and limb for you fucking unwanted parasite..Sorry but you are a traitor...If I lived in China as a white man and espoused the same views as you...well lets just say my family would by mourning me right now.....case and point...game over....thanks for coming out champ!! Please respond!!!

[Steve Williams]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

So you would support your government and troops no matter what they do? You're the brainwashed Nazist E-Chimp, not me. I'm currently a biotech scientist getting a Ph.D while working full time.

Ummm, sure you are. Just like '6 figures in 6 years' right??

[Robert]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Do you expect them not to retaliate after decades of bombing, occupation, mass murders, and installing dictators on their land? Oh I get it, you're one of those guys that still believe that they hate you for your freedom and liberty.

MUHAMMAD'S EARLY TERRORIST ACTS



After moving to Medina, Muhammad began to have conflict with the Jews and pagans in the area. I'll focus on several incidents, not necessarily in chronological order, that illustrate Muhammad as a terrorist.



The first terrorist incident involves Muhammad's command to his followers to "kill any Jew who comes under your power".



From Guillaume, op cit, page 369:



"The apostle said, "Kill any Jew who falls into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?' Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'"



END OF QUOTE





This story is also supported in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2996:



Narrated Muhayyisah: The Apostle of Allah said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them. So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants. He had close relations with them. He then killed him. At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam. He was older than Muhayyisah. When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said: O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property.



END OF QUOTE





This murder was committed upon Muhammad's command. Note that this Muslim murderer would have killed a family member at the drop of a hat. Muhammad was no better than a bigoted criminal boss, ordering his men to wantonly murder Jewish people. Hitler did this. And, this is what Serbs are doing to the Kosovan Muslims. Muhammad's command to murder Jews puts him in the same category as Milosovic, Hitler, and others who have persecuted Jews throughout history.



A quote from an Islamic scholar - Wensinck writes in his, "Muhammad and the Jews of Medina" [2], page 113:



"It is remarkable that tradition attributes Muhammad's most cruel acts to divine order, namely the siege of Qaynuqa, the murder of Kab, and he attack upon Qurayzah. Allah's conscience seems to be more elastic than that of his creatures."..... Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ashraf), "Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on.".





This incident is also documented in Tabari's History [3], page 97 of volume 7.





This shows that Muhammad had unsuspecting people, those who even had good relations with Muslims, murdered in cold blood because they were Jewish. There was no justification to murder these Jews other than they were not Muhammad's followers. These actions were the work of Muhammad's terrorists committing murder.









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The second terrorist incident involves another one of Muhammad's requests: this one for his men to murder an old Jewish man named Abu Afak. Abu Afak was 120 years. Abu Afak had urged his fellow Medinans to question Muhammad.





From Guillaume, op cit., page 675:





SALIM B. UMAYR'S EXPEDITION TO KILL ABU AFAK



Abu Afak was one of the B. Amr b. Auf of the B. Ubayda clan. He showed his disaffection when the apostle killed al-Harith b. Suwayd b. Samit and said:



"Long have I lived but never have I seen

An assembly or collection of people

More faithful to their undertaking

And their allies when called upon

Than the sons of Qayla when they assembled,

Men who overthrew mountains and never submitted,

A rider who came to them split them in two (saying)

"Permitted", "Forbidden", of all sorts of things.

Had you believed in glory or kingship

You would have followed Tubba



[NOTE: the Tubba was a ruler from Yemen who invaded that part of what is present Saudi Arabia: the Qaylites resisted him]





The apostle said, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" Whereupon Salim b. Umayr, brother of B. Amr b. Auf, one of the "weepers", went forth and killed him. Umama b. Muzayriya said concerning that:



You gave the lie to God's religion and the man Ahmad! [Muhammad]

By him who was your father, evil is the son he produced!

A "hanif" gave you a thrust in the night saying

"Take that Abu Afak in spite of your age!"

Though I knew whether it was man or jinn

Who slew you in the dead of night (I would say naught).



END OF QUOTE





Additional information is found in the Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, (Book of the Major Classes) by Ibn Sa'd, Volume 2, [4], page 32:



Then occurred the "sariyyah" [raid] of Salim Ibn Umayr al-Amri against Abu Afak, the Jew, in [the month of] Shawwal in the beginning of the twentieth month from the hijrah [immigration from Mecca to Medina in 622 AD], of the Apostle of Allah. Abu Afak, was from Banu Amr Ibn Awf, and was an old man who had attained the age of one hundred and twenty years. He was a Jew, and used to instigate the people against the Apostle of Allah, and composed (satirical) verses [about Muhammad].



Salim Ibn Umayr who was one of the great weepers and who had participated in Badr, said, "I take a vow that I shall either kill Abu Afak or die before him. He waited for an opportunity until a hot night came, and Abu Afak slept in an open place. Salim Ibn Umayr knew it, so he placed the sword on his liver and pressed it till it reached his bed. The enemy of Allah screamed and the people who were his followers, rushed to him, took him to his house and interred him.



END OF QUOTE





From a contemporary Muslim scholar - Ali Dashti's "23 Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad", [5], page 100:



"Abu Afak, a man of great age (reputedly 120 years) was killed because he had lampooned Mohammad. The deed was done by Salem b. Omayr at the behest of the Prophet, who had asked, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" The killing of such an old man moved a poetess, Asma b. Marwan, to compose disrespectful verses about the Prophet, and she too was assassinated."





Prior to listing all of the assassinations Muhammad had ordered, Ali Dashti writes on page 97:



"Thus Islam was gradually transformed from a purely spiritual mission into a militant and punitive organization whose progress depended on booty from raids and revenue from the zakat tax."





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Here another man was murdered upon Muhammad's command. This man was 120 years old. He was no physical threat to Muhammad and he did not urge people to commit violent acts against Muhammad or the Muslims. There was no discussion with Jewish leaders, there was no dialogue with Abu Afak; it was just an outright murder of another one of Muhammad's critics. Abu Afak urged the people who lived in Medina to doubt and leave Muhammad. Abu Afak found that Muhammad's sayings were strange and dictatorial. He chided the Arabs who put their faith in Muhammad. Muhammad heard of this and viewed the 120 year old man as a threat to his credibility, not to his life. Nowhere does it say that Abu Afak urged his fellow Arabs to attack or harm Muhammad. Yet for speaking his mind, for the benefit of his friends, this man was murdered by Muhammad.



The last statement in Umama b. Muzayriya's verse reveals something though:



"Though I knew whether it was man or jinn

Who slew you in the dead of night (I would say naught)."



This statement displays that the Muslims knew exactly what they were doing. They knew it was cold-blooded murder that they were committing upon Muhammad's request. They wanted to keep it secret, they wanted to hide their evil deeds from the populace at large. That's why Umama said he wouldn't reveal who murdered Abu Afak.



When I think of what type of people order their followers to commit murder, I only can think of organized crime bosses or corrupt political figures. Saddam Hussein comes to mind. How would an Iraqi be treated if he spoke out about Saddam? Amnesty International just reported that over 1500 political prisoners were executed in Iraq last year.



Or take the Ayatollah Khomenni. His fundamentalist Islamic regime had other dissident Iranians murdered all over the world. These murderous Muslims represent exactly what Muhammad was all about. They follow Muhammad's methodology: kill those who are a threat to your credibility and power over others.









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The third incident involves Muhammad's request for his men to murder a woman named Asma b. Marwan.



Quoting from Guillaume, pages 675, 676.





UMAYR B. ADIYY'S JOURNEY TO KILL ASMA D. MARWAN



"She was of B. Umayyya b. Zayd. When Abu Afak had been killed she displayed disaffection. Abdullah b. al-Harith b. Al-Fudayl from his father said that she was married to a man of B. Khatma called Yazid b. Zayd. Blaming Islam and its followers she said:



"I despise B. Malik and al-Nabit

and Auf and B. al-Khazraj.

You obey a stranger who is none of yours,

One not of Murad or Madhhij. {1}

Do you expect good from him after the killing of your chiefs

Like a hungry man waiting for a cook's broth?

Is there no man of pride who would attack him by surprise

And cut off the hopes of those who expect aught from him?"





Hassan b. Thabit answered her:



"Banu Wa'il and B. Waqif and Khatma

Are inferior to B. al-Khazraj.

When she called for folly woe to her in her weeping,

For death is coming.

She stirred up a man of glorious origin,

Noble in his going out and in his coming in.

Before midnight he dyed her in her blood

And incurred no guilt thereby."





When the apostle heard what she had said he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" Umayr b. Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, "You have helped God and His apostle, O Umayr!" When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, "Two goats won't butt their heads about her", so Umayr went back to his people.



Now there was a great commotion among B. Khatma that day about the affair of bint [girl] Marwan. She had five sons, and when Umayr went to them from the apostle he said, "I have killed bint Marwan, O sons of Khatma. Withstand me if you can; don't keep me waiting." That was the first day Islam became powerful among B. Khatma; before that those who were Muslims concealed the fact. The first of them to accept Islam was Umayr b. Adiy who was called the "Reader", and Abdullah b. Aus and Khuzayma b. Thabit. The day after Bint Marwan was killed the men of B. Khatma became Muslims because they saw the power of Islam."





{1} The note reads "Two tribes of Yamani origin."





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[Robert]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Do you expect them not to retaliate after decades of bombing, occupation, mass murders, and installing dictators on their land? Oh I get it, you're one of those guys that still believe that they hate you for your freedom and liberty.

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