All Muslims Are Not Terrorists, But All Terrorists Are Muslims

[Sportin' Ravenwood]

Originally Posted by Baller1

Yeah and when they martyr themselves, there are 72 virgins waiting for them. Problem is they are all guys just like themselves. I don't believe in any of that crap, regardless which religion. This religion is more violent than others. However the west has failed to do anything about it for decades, in fact US money helped bin Laden, never forget that. And now it backfires.

Did you just admit that Islam is more violent than others? Wow, you might be getting the point after all.

[Baller1]

Originally Posted by Sportin' Ravenwood

Did you just admit that Islam is more violent than others? Wow, you might be getting the point after all.

Did you hear me ever denying that? Never said it. I am just stating that Robert is bashing Islam left and right. However looking back at christianity in the old days, they were very violent. Its just today the Islamist extremists are the worst. Extremists in general are the worst.

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Sportin' Ravenwood

Did you just admit that Islam is more violent than others? Wow, you might be getting the point after all.

Go study history. This Islamic fascism was created by the U.S. and U.K.. Iran and Iraq had secular governments and middle classes until the U.S. army overthrew their governments and installed dictators.

It's like blaming a dog for biting you after you beat it for many years.

[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Baller1

Did you hear me ever denying that? Never said it. I am just stating that Robert is bashing Islam left and right. However looking back at christianity in the old days, they were very violent. Its just today the Islamist extremists are the worst. Extremists in general are the worst.

And in Robert and Ravenwood's mind, everyone in the Middle East is an Islamic fascist extremist.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Baller1

Did you hear me ever denying that? Never said it. I am just stating that Robert is bashing Islam left and right. However looking back at christianity in the old days, they were very violent. Its just today the Islamist extremists are the worst. Extremists in general are the worst.

Bashing left and right? Where is your evidence? I simply reprint news events of Islamic terrorism. You should get mad at the terrorists or journalists who report it, not me. Sorry that the news stories do not fit your view of the world.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

And in Robert and Ravenwood's mind, everyone in the Middle East is an Islamic fascist extremist.

I understand why you disagree with me now. I am against 9-11 and other terrorism against the United States, this upsets you greatly as we can see. Feel free to defend your position.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Baller1

Ah here we go again, the name calling. I am nowhere close to be an Ahmed you airhead. And again you have proven my point, all you do is post articles which are painting a picture that all muslims are bad people. Want me to start doing it the other way, painting that picture about Israel? Would be a good start since it would show that the fucking jews down there ain't better whatsofuckingever. I don't need you to tell me history from 9/11, I almost was on one of those planes. But if it makes you feel better to call people names, go for it. Shows again your lack of understanding.

Since you love Nazis and radical Islam, you should read this.




Jews march in Poland in memory of Holocaust
The annual event held at the former death camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau

Alik Keplicz / AP


updated 20 minutes ago
OSWIECIM, Poland - Some 10,000 young Jews, Poles and World War II survivors took part in the March of the Living on Thursday, an annual event at the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau that honors the memory of some 6 million Jews who perished in the Holocaust.

This year's march, the 17th, started with the blowing of the shofar, or ram's horn, at the iron gate — crowned with the words "Arbeit Macht Frei," or "Work Sets You Free" — that leads into the former camp of Auschwitz.

The misleading inscription was to suggest to inmates they were coming to work, not die here.



The Israeli army chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, led the long column of marchers, accompanied by some camp survivors carrying the Torah and fellow Israeli troops in uniform.

"Each and every one of us should do our utmost to ensure: Never again," Ashkenazi said.

The Kaddish — the Jewish prayer for the dead — was spoken at a huge stone monument to the camp's victims at Birkenau.

At least 1.1 million people, including Jews, Poles and Roma, perished in the camp's gas chambers or from starvation, disease and forced labor before Soviet troops liberated it in January 1945.

Israel also held observances in memory of Jews killed in the Nazi Holocaust, with sirens wailing and traffic halting for two minutes across the country.

Marchers from 50 countries
In Poland marchers from some 50 countries in matching raincoats formed a sea of blue, with Israeli white-and-blue national flags fluttering overhead. There was an occasional drizzle as they walked in Oswiecim, the Polish city where the occupying Germans built the complex.

They walked in silence along a 2-mile stretch from the red brick houses of Auschwitz to Birkenau, another area of the camp that is the site of wooden barracks and ruins of the gas chambers.

Survivor Leib Zisman was visiting Birkenau for the first time since January 1945, when the Nazis forced the inmates to walk out of the camp in frost and snow to flee the advancing Soviet army.

"I walked into the barracks in Birkenau and I recognized the beds that I slept in," said Zisman, 77, of Long Island, N.Y. "The memories are very vivid; I remember everything."

The then 13-year-old Zisman was brought to Birkenau in 1944 from the Kovno ghetto in Lithuania, where his parents died. From Birkenau, he was taken to camps in Germany, where he was liberated by U.S. troops.





"It's really emotional and I can only say I am sad that I haven't come here sooner, but I wasn't ready," he said.

Among the marchers was Avram Grant, the Israeli manager of English soccer club Chelsea. It was his seventh visit to Auschwitz. This time, he brought his 14-year-old son, Daniel, and wife, Tsofit. His Polish-born father survived the Holocaust, but many other members of his family were killed.

"It was terrible how people behaved to other people," Grant said. "It is good that they kept a place like this as a memory and as education that to hate someone is not the right way."

Teenage participants also stressed the power of remembering.

"The most amazing feeling of the march is togetherness," said Elana Weiner, a 17-year-old student from Tucson, Ariz. "We are the key to the future and if we remember and promise to never forget, then the rest of the world won't."





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[32AATopIPEandDub]

Originally Posted by Robert

I understand why you disagree with me now. I am against 9-11 and other terrorism against the United States, this upsets you greatly as we can see. Feel free to defend your position.

Ok, how about the people responsible for 9/11 are only a very small minority of the people in Iraq and Iran? How about that 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with the governments and dictators of Iraq and Iran? How about Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction yet we bombed and attacked them, murdering many innocent civilian lives and tortured their soldiers?

In case you don't know, like your buddy McCain, the people responsible for 9/11 are Bin Laden and his private rogue organization called Al Qaeda, not everyone in the Middle East.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Ok, how about the people responsible for 9/11 are only a very small minority of the people in Iraq and Iran? How about that 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with the governments and dictators of Iraq and Iran? How about Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction yet we bombed and attacked them, murdering many innocent civilian lives and tortured their soldiers?

In case you don't know, like your buddy McCain, the people responsible for 9/11 are Bin Laden and his private rogue organization called Al Qaeda, not everyone in the Middle East.

It figures you would be in support of a regime like Saddam Hussein's, it falls right in line with your anti-U.S. & anti-Semitic agenda.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by 32AATopIPEandDub

Ok, how about the people responsible for 9/11 are only a very small minority of the people in Iraq and Iran? How about that 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with the governments and dictators of Iraq and Iran? How about Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction yet we bombed and attacked them, murdering many innocent civilian lives and tortured their soldiers?

In case you don't know, like your buddy McCain, the people responsible for 9/11 are Bin Laden and his private rogue organization called Al Qaeda, not everyone in the Middle East.

UNSCR 687 prohibits Saddam Hussein from committing or supporting terrorism, or allowing terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Saddam continues to violate these UNSCR provisions.



In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.



Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.



Iraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer.



Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.



In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a "martyr" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, "You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue."



Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations