All Muslims Are Not Terrorists, But All Terrorists Are Muslims

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Grover

Why did you post this?
Are you offering an apology because the attacks of 9/11 that were brought on by US foreign policy not only killed innocent Americans but also innocent Canadians? Thank you Robert....apology accepted.

At least 40 killed in Kabul blast - Afghanistan - MSNBC.com

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Grover

Why did you post this?
Are you offering an apology because the attacks of 9/11 that were brought on by US foreign policy not only killed innocent Americans but also innocent Canadians? Thank you Robert....apology accepted.

SO, Grover, I can see that Canada's foreign policy has caused your country some grief too....

International terrorism

[edit] Relating to Cuba
September 22, 1966 - A bazooka attack on the Cuban embassy in Ottawa is made.
October 5, 1966 - Anti-Castro forces bomb the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Ottawa.
May 31, 1967: A small bomb explodes at the Cuba Pavilion at Expo 67 in Montreal. The attack is attributed to Cuban Nationalist Action.
October 15, 1967: A bomb explodes at the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Montreal.
May 29, 1969: A bomb is placed in the doorway of the Cuban consulate in Montreal, it fails to go off.
July 12, 1971: A small bomb goes off at the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Montreal.
April 4, 1972: Cuban official Sergio Pérez Castillo is killed by an explosion at the Cuban consulate at Montreal.
January 21, 1974: A bomb explodes at the Cuban embassy in Ottawa. It is attributed to Orlando Bosch.
September 22, 1976: An explosive device is thrown from a car at the Cuban consulate in Montreal.
January 14, 1980: A large explosion significantly damages the Cuban consulate in Montreal.

[edit] Relating to militant Sikh aspirations for Khalistan
June 23, 1985 - Air India flight 182 leaving Montreal's Mirabel International Airport is blown up mid-flight to London.
May 26, 1986 - An attempt is made in Vancouver to assassinate Malkiat Singh Sidhu, a cabinet minister in the Indian province of Punjab
August 28, 1988 - Indo-Canadian Times editor Tara Singh Hayer is shot and partially paralyzed
November 18, 1998 - Newspaper editor Tara Singh Hayer is assassinated for his strident opposition to Sikh militants.

[edit] Relating to Armenia
April 8, 1982 - Turkish Commercial Counselor to Canada Kani Güngör is paralyzed after an attack by Armenian nationalists at his Ottawa apartment.
August 23, 1982 - Turkish military attaché to Canada, Col. Atilla Altıkat, is assassinated by Armenian terrorists in Ottawa while sitting in his vehicle at a traffic light.
March 12, 1985 - A group of Armenian terrorists seize the Turkish embassy, killing a Canadian security guard

[edit] Other incidents
April 7, 1868 - Thomas D'Arcy McGee is assassinated in Ottawa by an alleged Irish nationalist or Fenian rebel sympathizer named Patrick Whelan.
November 25, 1965 - Croatian nationalists bomb the Yugoslavian consulate in Toronto.
January 29, 1967 - The Yugoslavian embassy in Ottawa and the consulate in Toronto are among six Yugoslavian offices bombed in North America.
September 3, 1984 - Montreal's Central Station is bombed, killing 3 people and wounding more than 30. Thomas Bernard Brigham, an elderly retired American armed forces officer, claims to have been protesting Pope John Paul II's visit to Canada.
April 5, 1992 - The Iranian embassy in Ottawa is stormed by members of MEK, an Iraq-supported left-wing group.

[edit] Domestic terrorism
February 13, 1969 - the Front de Libération du Québec (FLQ) set off a powerful bomb that ripped through the Montreal Stock Exchange causing massive destruction and seriously injuring twenty-seven people.
October 5, 1970 - British diplomat James Cross and October 10 Quebec Minister of Labour Pierre Laporte are kidnapped by the FLQ in Montreal. (The dead body of Pierre Laporte was discovered in the trunk of a car in Montreal on October 17, 1970; Cross was released on December 3, 1970.)
October 14, 1982 - The anarchist group the Squamish Five, who were Canadian version of Direct Action, bombs a Litton Industries factory north of Toronto that is manufacturing guidance devices for American cruise missiles, ten are injured.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Robert

SO, Grover, I can see that Canada's foreign policy has caused your country some grief too....

International terrorism

[edit] Relating to Cuba
September 22, 1966 - A bazooka attack on the Cuban embassy in Ottawa is made.
October 5, 1966 - Anti-Castro forces bomb the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Ottawa.
May 31, 1967: A small bomb explodes at the Cuba Pavilion at Expo 67 in Montreal. The attack is attributed to Cuban Nationalist Action.
October 15, 1967: A bomb explodes at the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Montreal.
May 29, 1969: A bomb is placed in the doorway of the Cuban consulate in Montreal, it fails to go off.
July 12, 1971: A small bomb goes off at the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Montreal.
April 4, 1972: Cuban official Sergio Pérez Castillo is killed by an explosion at the Cuban consulate at Montreal.
January 21, 1974: A bomb explodes at the Cuban embassy in Ottawa. It is attributed to Orlando Bosch.
September 22, 1976: An explosive device is thrown from a car at the Cuban consulate in Montreal.
January 14, 1980: A large explosion significantly damages the Cuban consulate in Montreal.

[edit] Relating to militant Sikh aspirations for Khalistan
June 23, 1985 - Air India flight 182 leaving Montreal's Mirabel International Airport is blown up mid-flight to London.
May 26, 1986 - An attempt is made in Vancouver to assassinate Malkiat Singh Sidhu, a cabinet minister in the Indian province of Punjab
August 28, 1988 - Indo-Canadian Times editor Tara Singh Hayer is shot and partially paralyzed
November 18, 1998 - Newspaper editor Tara Singh Hayer is assassinated for his strident opposition to Sikh militants.

[edit] Relating to Armenia
April 8, 1982 - Turkish Commercial Counselor to Canada Kani Güngör is paralyzed after an attack by Armenian nationalists at his Ottawa apartment.
August 23, 1982 - Turkish military attaché to Canada, Col. Atilla Altıkat, is assassinated by Armenian terrorists in Ottawa while sitting in his vehicle at a traffic light.
March 12, 1985 - A group of Armenian terrorists seize the Turkish embassy, killing a Canadian security guard

[edit] Other incidents
April 7, 1868 - Thomas D'Arcy McGee is assassinated in Ottawa by an alleged Irish nationalist or Fenian rebel sympathizer named Patrick Whelan.
November 25, 1965 - Croatian nationalists bomb the Yugoslavian consulate in Toronto.
January 29, 1967 - The Yugoslavian embassy in Ottawa and the consulate in Toronto are among six Yugoslavian offices bombed in North America.
September 3, 1984 - Montreal's Central Station is bombed, killing 3 people and wounding more than 30. Thomas Bernard Brigham, an elderly retired American armed forces officer, claims to have been protesting Pope John Paul II's visit to Canada.
April 5, 1992 - The Iranian embassy in Ottawa is stormed by members of MEK, an Iraq-supported left-wing group.

[edit] Domestic terrorism
February 13, 1969 - the Front de Libération du Québec (FLQ) set off a powerful bomb that ripped through the Montreal Stock Exchange causing massive destruction and seriously injuring twenty-seven people.
October 5, 1970 - British diplomat James Cross and October 10 Quebec Minister of Labour Pierre Laporte are kidnapped by the FLQ in Montreal. (The dead body of Pierre Laporte was discovered in the trunk of a car in Montreal on October 17, 1970; Cross was released on December 3, 1970.)
October 14, 1982 - The anarchist group the Squamish Five, who were Canadian version of Direct Action, bombs a Litton Industries factory north of Toronto that is manufacturing guidance devices for American cruise missiles, ten are injured.

That list is pretty old....we've changed our ways in the last 25 years.....CHANGE ....where did I hear that before??

(I am sure you'd exchange this list for the US list)

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Grover

That list is pretty old....we've changed our ways in the last 25 years.....CHANGE ....where did I hear that before??

(I am sure you'd exchange this list for the US list)

By "changing your ways" do you mean Canada was guilty of bad policies and the terrorists successfully changed the nation? So you are essentially justifying any group' terrorist activities if they are not 100% completely satisfied with a given nation's foreign policies. So if the U.S. gives "Nation X" 126.3 million in aid one year instead of 126.2, does this mean "Nation X" has a right to inflict terrorism?

Official definitions determine counter-terrorism policy and are often developed to serve it. Most government definitions outline the following key criteria: target, objective, motive, perpetrator, and legitimacy or legality of the act. Terrorism is also often recognizable by a following statement from the perpetrators.

Violence – According to Walter Laqueur of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, "the only general characteristic of terrorism generally agreed upon is that terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence." However, the criterion of violence alone does not produce a useful definition, as it includes many acts not usually considered terrorism: war, riot, organized crime, or even a simple assault. Property destruction that does not endanger life is not usually considered a violent crime, but some have described property destruction by the Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front as violence and terrorism; see eco-terrorism.

Psychological impact and fear – The attack was carried out in such a way as to maximize the severity and length of the psychological impact. Each act of terrorism is a “performance,” devised to have an impact on many large audiences. Terrorists also attack national symbols to show their power and to shake the foundation of the country or society they are opposed to. This may negatively affect a government's legitimacy, while increasing the legitimacy of the given terrorist organization and/or ideology behind a terrorist act.[13]

Perpetrated for a Political Goal – Something all terrorist attacks have in common is their perpetration for a political purpose. Terrorism is a political tactic, not unlike letter writing or protesting, that is used by activists when they believe no other means will effect the kind of change they desire. The change is desired so badly that failure is seen as a worse outcome than the deaths of civilians. This is often where the interrelationship between terrorism and religion occurs. When a political struggle is integrated into the framework of a religious or "cosmic"[14] struggle, such as over the control of an ancestral homeland or holy site such as Israel and Jerusalem, failing in the political goal (nationalism) becomes equated with spiritual failure, which, for the highly committed, is worse than their own death or the deaths of innocent civilians.

Deliberate targeting of non-combatants – It is commonly held that the distinctive nature of terrorism lies in its intentional and specific selection of civilians as direct targets. Specifically, the criminal intent is shown when babies, children, mothers, and the elderly are murdered, or injured, and put in harm's way. Much of the time, the victims of terrorism are targeted not because they are threats, but because they are specific "symbols, tools, animals or corrupt beings" that tie into a specific view of the world that the terrorist possess. Their suffering accomplishes the terrorists' goals of instilling fear, getting a message out to an audience, or otherwise accomplishing their often radical religious and political ends.[15]

Disguise – Terrorists almost invariably pretend to be non-combatants, hide among non-combatants, fight from in the midst of non-combatants, and when they can, strive to mislead and provoke the government soldiers into attacking the wrong people, that the government may be blamed for it. When an enemy is identifiable as a combatant, the word terrorism is rarely used. Mass executions of hostages, as by the Nazi military forces in the Second World War, certainly constituted crimes against humanity but are not commonly called terrorism.

Unlawfulness or illegitimacy – Some official (notably government) definitions of terrorism add a criterion of illegitimacy or unlawfulness[16] to distinguish between actions authorized by a "legitimate" government (and thus "lawful") and those of other actors, including individuals and small groups. Using this criterion, actions that would otherwise qualify as terrorism would not be considered terrorism if they were government sanctioned. For example, firebombing a city, which is designed to affect civilian support for a cause, would not be considered terrorism if it were authorized by a "legitimate" government. This criterion is inherently problematic and is not universally accepted, because: it denies the existence of state terrorism; the same act may or may not be classed as terrorism depending on whether its sponsorship is traced to a "legitimate" government; "legitimacy" and "lawfulness" are subjective, depending on the perspective of one government or another; and it diverges from the historically accepted meaning and origin of the term.[17][18][19][20] For these reasons this criterion is not universally accepted. Most dictionary definitions of the term do not include this criterion.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You are so narrow minded. Everyone against you is homosexual, or Mohammed. Time for a wake up call for people like you. I don't agree with 9-11, was wrong as wrong it can be. However this shows how vulnerable the USA is, even Bush is trying to tell us else (at least he tried to in the past). You will see, once he is gone, the next president, regardsless of the party, will have to do a hell of a clean up job to get relations back in order. Deal with it - America is not the world police who has to regulate everything. And other countries have them stop doing it. When you travel internationally (did you other than serving) you will see the picture the country paints overseas - a very bad one. Ignorance and arrogance are the 2 most common issues other countries have. And people like you are painting it even stronger. And stop calling opponents of your view gay or Mohammed or whatever you name them. Just stick with the basics of respect. Guess you don't want to get called names yourself.

Iran to "hit Tel Aviv, U.S. ships" if attacked By Parisa Hafezi
Tue Jul 8, 6:12 AM ET



TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran will hit Tel Aviv, U.S. shipping in the Gulf and American interests around the world if it is attacked over its disputed nuclear activities, an aide to Iran's Supreme Leader was quoted as saying on Tuesday.



"The first bullet fired by America at Iran will be followed by Iran burning down its vital interests around the globe," the students news agency ISNA quoted Ali Shirazi as saying in a speech to Revolutionary Guards.

The United States and its allies suspect Iran is trying to build nuclear bombs. Tehran says its program is peaceful.

"The Zionist regime is pressuring White House officials to attack Iran. If they commit such a stupidity, Tel Aviv and U.S. shipping in the Persian Gulf will be Iran's first targets and they will be burned," Shirazi was quoted as saying.

Shirazi, a mid-level cleric, is Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's representative to the Revolutionary Guards.

"The Iranian nation will never accept bullying. The Iranian nation is a nation of believers which believes in jihad and martyrdom. No army in the world can confront it," he added.

In Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's spokesman, Mark Regev, declined to comment on the threat to hit Tel Aviv, saying only: "Shirazi's words speak for themselves."

Israel, believed to be the Middle East's only nuclear-armed power, has vowed to prevent Iran from acquiring an atomic bomb. The United States says it wants to resolve the dispute by diplomacy but has not ruled out military action.

In April, Israel's Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, who is a former army general and defense minister, told Israeli media: "An Iranian attack will prompt a severe reaction from Israel, which will destroy the Iranian nation."

Shirazi's comments intensified a war of words that has raised fears of military confrontation and helped boost world oil prices to record highs in recent weeks.

"We will make the enemy regret threatening Iran," Mohammad Hejazi, deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards, was quoted as saying by the semi-official Mehr news agency on Tuesday.

ISRAELI MARKETS UNMOVED

Tel Aviv is an Israeli coastal metropolis of about 2 million people. It was hit in 1991 by Scud missiles launched by Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein during a U.S.-led war with Baghdad.

Unlike other major Israeli cities such as Jerusalem and Haifa, it is home to relatively few Arabs.

The latest Iranian threats had little immediate impact on financial markets in Israel.

"This has no relevance on dollar-shekel trade. I assume if we see a strike, there will be a reaction," said Neil Corney, treasurer for Citigroup's Israel office in Tel Aviv.

"All this is sabre-rattling and Israel is trying to pressure the world to put some serious economic sanctions on Iran."

Joel Kirsch, head of equities trading at the Leader Capital Markets brokerage in Tel Aviv linked a market drop on Tuesday to banks selling off in Asia, not tension with Iran. "The conflict with Iran is somewhat priced into the market," he said.

Iran has previously threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz if it comes under attack. About 40 percent of globally traded oil moves through the Gulf waterway.

The Revolutionary Guards' commander of artillery and missile units, Mahmoud Chaharbaghi, said 50 brigades of his forces had been equipped with what he called smart cluster munitions.

"All our arms, bullets and rockets are on alert so that we would defend the Islamic Republic's territory," Hemayet daily quoted him as saying.

Senior officials from six world powers held a conference call on Monday to discuss the response Iran delivered on Friday to a revised package of incentives to curb its nuclear work.

The United States, France, Britain, China, Russia and Germany offered the package last month and said Iran must suspend its uranium enrichment work before formal talks on implementing it.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday his country would not stop enriching uranium and rejected as "illegitimate" a demand by major powers that it do so.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Grover

Why did you post this?
Are you offering an apology because the attacks of 9/11 that were brought on by US foreign policy not only killed innocent Americans but also innocent Canadians? Thank you Robert....apology accepted.

Was it Japan's foreign policy that led to the 2 atom bombs dropped on them in 1945?

[trabpukcip]

Originally Posted by Grover

Why did you post this?
Are you offering an apology because the attacks of 9/11 that were brought on by US foreign policy not only killed innocent Americans but also innocent Canadians? Thank you Robert....apology accepted.

I think you mean Israel's foreign policy

[Robert]

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I thought Al-qaeda was for peace?

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Baller1

Since you are the one who said I am ignorant, I can easily rest my case, since I am anything but ignorant. I know where certain problem lie, for instance the afghan insurgency which led at the end to the rise of the Taliban, was U.S. sponsored. Since it was originally against the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. Robert, care to explain why the US gave money to that cause.?

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One thing that worries me about Obama is his lack of foreign policy experience. Will terrorists take him seriuosly?