All Muslims Are Not Terrorists, But All Terrorists Are Muslims

Originally Posted by MarbleCheese

Who is constantly getting attacked?

Pearl Harbour - 1941
World Trade Centre - 1993
Oklahoma City Bombing - 1995
9/11 - 2001

4 attacks on US soil in 65 years. One by the Japanese, 2 by Al-Qaeda and one by a US citizen.
The suicide bombers in Iraq are merely retaliating against it's 'occupiers' (the US), and the don't hate you for your freedoms, they hate you for occupying their country and for your support of Israel. This really does simplify a complex issue but it's the truth.

ps. I lived in your country, you really aren't as free as you think you are. You are free as long as you believe the same as every one else, should you speak out or ask questions then you are a traitor and unpatriotic.

These all constitute US soil aside from the Berlin Disco.

1979 - US Embassy Tehran
Beirut (US Military Base) - 1983
Berlin Discoo - 1986
Khobar Towers (US Military Base) - 1996
Two US Embassies in Africa - 1997
USS Cole 2000

Originally Posted by MarbleCheese

Who is constantly getting attacked?

Pearl Harbour - 1941
World Trade Centre - 1993
Oklahoma City Bombing - 1995
9/11 - 2001

4 attacks on US soil in 65 years.

Actually, it was 5. Gerardo attacked the US in the late 80s with his one hit wonder, Rico Suave. The country is still recovering from that one. Get your facts straight, Marble!

[MarbleCheese]

Originally Posted by 6 More

These all constitute US soil aside from the Berlin Disco.

1979 - US Embassy Tehran
Beirut (US Military Base) - 1983
Berlin Discoo - 1986
Khobar Towers (US Military Base) - 1996
Two US Embassies in Africa - 1997
USS Cole 2000

It's still 4. Attacks in foreign countries against mostly military personel are tragic events but they are the risk one takes by serving and/or working in an embassy. (aside from the Disco).
The original point was that the US (the physical country) has only been attacked 4 times in 65 years (all terrible events) but it isn't as bad as the timeline that was posted.

1974
• September 8: TWA Flight 841: Bomb kills 88
1977
• March 9: Three buildings in Washington, DC are seized and over 100 hostages taken. Washington city councilman Marion ????? is shot in the chest
1979
• November 4: Iran hostage crisis, a 444-day standoff.
1983
• April 18: U.S. Embassy Bombing in Beirut, Lebanon kills 63.
• October 23: Marine Barracks Bombing in Beirut kills 241 U.S. Marines.
1985
•June 14: TWA Flight 847 skyjacking, Hezbollah
• October 7 – October 10: Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking by Palestinian Liberation • October 11: Arab anti-discrimination group leader is killed when a bomb explodes in his Santa Ana, California office.
1986
• April 2: TWA Flight 840 bombed on approach to Athens airport; four passengers (all of them American), including an infant, are killed.
• April 6: the La Belle discotheque in Berlin, a known hangout for U.S. soldiers, was bombed.
• September 5: Pan Am Flight 73, an American civilian airliner, is hijacked; 22 people die.
1988
• December 21: Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland. 1990
• :PLO attack on the US. embassy
1993
• January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fires an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters. Two CIA employees died
• February 26: World Trade Center bombing kills 6
• June: Failed New York City landmark bomb plot, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists
1994
• March 1: In the Brooklyn Bridge Shooting, Rashid Baz kills a Hasidic seminary student and wounds 4 on the Brooklyn Bridge in New York
1995
• January 6: Operation Bojinka plot to bomb 11 U.S. airliners is discovered
1996
• June 25: Khobar Towers bombing -- In all, 19 U.S. servicemen and one Saudi were killed
1997
• February 24: An armed man opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, United States, killing 1
1998
• August 7: U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, killing 225 people
1999
• December: Jordanian authorities foil a plot to bomb US and Israeli tourists in Jordan and pick up 28 suspects as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots
• December 14: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots
2000
• The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb USS The Sullivans sinks.
• October 12: USS Cole bombing kills 17 US sailors 2001
• The attacks on September 11 killed 2,997
• Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices.
• Jewish Defense League plot to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, foiled.
• December 22: Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.
2002
• July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in
• October: John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing 10 people
2003
• May 12: Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26.
• October 15: A bomb is detonated by Palestinians against a US diplomatic convoy in the Gaza Strip, killing three Americans.
2004
• December 6: Suspected al Qaeda-linked group attacks U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing five
2006
• March 2: Bombing in Karachi, Pakistan kills four, including a U.S. diplomat.
• March 3: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
• August 10: A major anti-terrorist operation disrupts a bomb plot targeting multiple airplanes flying through Heathrow Airport, near London, UK.

By my count that is 39 attacks against the US not counting ones in Iraq or Afghanistan where we are at war.

Of these attacks 11 were against US airliners (not including 9/11) 12 were on US soil and 11 against US sovereignty (Marian barracks and embassies.)

[MarbleCheese]

Richard Reid getting arrested and a guy trying to cross the border with plans to do something is not a terrorist attack. You are boosting your numbers as much as ????? and the numbers he quotes all the time.

Name one way you are living your life differently (since 9/11) because of the apparent inevidibility of a terrorist attack.

It is obvious that only the big attacks count in your eyes. Every time some one dies due to terrorism we should not forget. You probably don’t know this but Israel has suffered within its border over 450 terror attacks and lost over 1750 lives since 2000. If our country suffered as many deaths as Israel by percent of population. The US would have lost 87,500 lives. Don’t be smug about not that many attacks here. If the terrorist win in the Middle East we are next. Could our county survive loosing 87,500 over 5 years in the war on terror? Right now we cry about 2,500 soldiers fighting the battle in Iraq and Afghanistan keeping it away from us. People cry we should not be there. Well where should we fight it? Israel is a perfect example of a county giving their enemy time and time again the opportunity for peace. Every time the enemy re-arms and hits harder. So let’s pull out of the Middle East, let them re-arm and get stronger and then let them bring the fight to the US. Now that’s a plan!

Originally Posted by Dom182

I on the other hand am smart enough.

I have been to Israel. 3 Times with the military. Twice while I was there there were terrorist attacks. One of these times I was ordered to assist in aid. I saw two dead kids, another with his arm torn off. Hezbolla claimed responsibility.

I also served in Iraq for the first Gulf war. Not quite the same thing but you do get a feel for the mentality. One of the men on our crew was Jewish. I saw him spit on for his religion.

Your question about who fuck's with Israel leaves your proclamation that you are jewish in very serious doubt. Lets see

1956 Suez war - Egypt sends guerrillas into Israel culminating in the taking of the Suez canal. Israel took it back in 57 with the help of French and British forces

1967 The six day war. Under the united arab command Egypt, Syria and Jordan ammass forces on the Israel border promting a strike by Israel that destroys the air forces of all three. Then continues to defeat the forces of each.

1973 The Yom Kippur war. Syria and Egypt simultaneously attack Israel.

1978 PLO strikes from Lebanon instigating several military engagements

1981 PLO again strikes from within the Lebanese borders. A note to this they also struck at Leabanese Christian forces. This strike spurs Israel to occupy the southern portion of Lebanon beginging in 1982.

1987 to 1991 the "first infatada" a PLO uprising

1990 Gulf war. Even though Israel did not have even one soilder in the war Iraq launched a total of 39 scuds into Israel

2000-2005 The second infatada

Now I know this and I am not even Jewish

As for your views on polititians. Couldn't agree with you more

As for them bringing in food. If you believe they give it all to civilians you are naive. However, I do believe Hezbolla does care for it's own people and has been a pretty effective government for them that is not in dispute. What is in dispute is allowing a self proclaimed terrorist organization to get a pass just because they brought food to their own people. I do not for a minute believe, nor should you that they would make the same provisions for infidels. If you do not believe Hezbolla is a terrorist organization just keep in mind that they recently raised the payout for a suicide attack from 20,000 to 100,000 dollars.

The civilized part and morally superior? In some ways I agree with you others I don't. I believe in humane treatment of civilians and prisioners. However, militarily you cannot leave roads open that enable supplies or reinforcements to reach your enemy. It's not as if this road is designated civilian and that military. The bitch about that is that civilians suffer. It sucks but that has been a part of war since the begining of time.

I never said that Israel did not hit a non military target. I concede that what I said was not concise. Israel has used precision strikes to try to avoid civilian casualties. However even with the best intelligence civilian casualties are inevitable, again it sucks but until there is an end to all war it is going to happen. On the other side of the coin Hezbolla packs their rockets with ball bearings and various other pieces of metal to increase the carnage. They then launch these puposefully into civilian areas.

You made the camparison about gang members. Well this would apply if this was the first strike by Hezbolla. Above I outlined the major military actions, they don't include the 200 terror attacks made by Hezbolla in Israel over the past 26 years. These attacks killed mostly civilians and were very rarely directed at military targets.

As for the poor leaving. An average person can walk 35 miles in a day. So lets bring this down to just 10. That would still get them out of the combat area. Before you say it there are enough able bodied people to help those that aren't. I don't know about you but I don't care how poor I am I hear bombs and I am a civilian I start walking, actually running in the other direction. Israel even drops leaflets warning civilians to leave an area becuase it is about to get hit. So yes after you read one of these leaflets if you are still there you are a combatant.

Again with the thought that this was just about the two soilders. See above. The soilders were just the straw that broke the camels back.

great post.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It is obvious that only the big attacks count in your eyes. Every time some one dies due to terrorism we should not forget. You probably don’t know this but Israel has suffered within its border over 450 terror attacks and lost over 1750 lives since 2000. If our country suffered as many deaths as Israel by percent of population. The US would have lost 87,500 lives. Don’t be smug about not that many attacks here. If the terrorist win in the Middle East we are next. Could our county survive loosing 87,500 over 5 years in the war on terror? Right now we cry about 2,500 soldiers fighting the battle in Iraq and Afghanistan keeping it away from us. People cry we should not be there. Well where should we fight it? Israel is a perfect example of a county giving their enemy time and time again the opportunity for peace. Every time the enemy re-arms and hits harder. So let’s pull out of the Middle East, let them re-arm and get stronger and then let them bring the fight to the US. Now that’s a plan!

This is a good post too. Marble Cheese is the kind of guy who picks and chooses what he thinks is just and fair. He's the perfect liberal. He'll say that those attacks aren't that big of a deal, but then he's the first one on the whitehouse lawn if the military accidentally kills a civilian in Iraq. Then he wants Bush's head, rather than all the other terrorist scum. Its crazy how liberals can't see this they only fool themselves.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This is a good post too. Marble Cheese is the kind of guy who picks and chooses what he thinks is just and fair. He's the perfect liberal. He'll say that those attacks aren't that big of a deal, but then he's the first one on the whitehouse lawn if the military accidentally kills a civilian in Iraq. Then he wants Bush's head, rather than all the other terrorist scum. Its crazy how liberals can't see this they only fool themselves.

Marble is from Canada. So, I don't think he'll be camping out on the white house lawn anytime soon. This thread is a prime example as to why politics is such a waste of energy to discuss. Just a bunch of people yelling back and forth about why the other party is ruining the country. The Presidential election is nothing more than a 3rd grade show down between two main groups telling each other the reasons the other guy sucks. Then they both tell the third group (liberals) that they suck. A classic example of full grown adults acting like jackasses. Like I said, politics is pure bullshit.

Originally Posted by MarbleCheese

Who is constantly getting attacked?

Pearl Harbour - 1941
World Trade Centre - 1993
Oklahoma City Bombing - 1995
9/11 - 2001

4 attacks on US soil in 65 years. One by the Japanese, 2 by Al-Qaeda and one by a US citizen.
The suicide bombers in Iraq are merely retaliating against it's 'occupiers' (the US), and the don't hate you for your freedoms, they hate you for occupying their country and for your support of Israel. This really does simplify a complex issue but it's the truth.

ps. I lived in your country, you really aren't as free as you think you are. You are free as long as you believe the same as every one else, should you speak out or ask questions then you are a traitor and unpatriotic.

Why do you hat the Jewish people so much. Didn't the Holocaust teach you anything?