I Hope All Of You In London Are Alright

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tim O' Tei

But again you fail to see the point.

It is people like yourselves who either by design or mistake generate hatred by deliberatley showing off the worst side of a nation or religion to people who believe everything they rare told but know nothing of anything else.

Bob Geldof in Rwanda gives Bush his props


KIGALI, Rwanda — Bob Geldof has parachuted into the White House travel pool here in Rwanda, and will join us on the flight from Air Force One to Ghana tonight.


He's going to interview President Bush for Time magazine and several European outlets, such as Liberacion, about aid to Africa for HIV/AIDS, malaria, and business development.


Mr. Geldof is an Irish rock and roll singer and longtime social activist who has helped, along with U2 rocker Bono, raise awareness about need in Africa. His most well known achievement is organizing the Live Aid concert in 1985, which raised money for debt relief for poor African countries.


But Mr. Geldof has remained closely engaged with African affairs since then, and he spoke off the cuff to reporters today who were waiting for a press conference with Mr. Bush and Rwandan President Paul Kagame.


Mr. Geldof praised Mr. Bush for his work in delivering billions to fight disease and poverty in Africa, and blasted the U.S. press for ignoring the achievement.


Mr. Bush, said Mr. Geldof, "has done more than any other president so far."


"This is the triumph of American policy really," he said. "It was probably unexpected of the man. It was expected of the nation, but not of the man, but both rose to the occasion."


"What's in it for [Mr. Bush]? Absolutely nothing," Mr. Geldof said.


Mr. Geldof said that the president has failed "to articulate this to Americans" but said he is also "pissed off" at the press for their failure to report on this good news story.


"You guys didn't pay attention," Geldof said to a group of reporters from all the major newspapers.


Bush administration officials, incidentally, have also been quite displeased with some of the press coverage on this trip that they have viewed as overly negative and ignoring their achievements

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tim O' Tei

I will give credit where it is due - I am merely countering every one of Robert's "someone in a dirty bedsheet" post with something that should amke him aware that there are problems within the US too that are down to US citizens.

We have our problems over here too. Since when is trying to understand the world as a whole 'left wing'?

Most of the posts of mine that you dislike are articles from your newspapers, Tim. If you have info that can disprove the articles, I am all ears.

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by Dom182

Allright, I guess I need to eat a bit of crow here. Before I had read only a few of your posts and jumped to a conclusion. I just reviewed many of your posts and like you I must give credit where credit is due, you seem to look around a bit before posting versus posting a single political view.

Now a qwuestion for you, and this is a question not an attact, seems you have to give that disclamer around here.

What do you think of your health care system. I have a few friends over there and their views are divided. While they all appreciate having it they differ on hating and loving for their own reasons. I ask since if Obama or (whatever diety you worship) forbid Billary is elected we will be making big steps in that direction.

I think the Health Service is the single best idea dreamt up by a governemnt. Alas individual hopsitals (trusts) are in many cases run by idiots who spend five hours in a meeting wasting time. I have worked in the NHS and am glad to see that there is a move to make the trusts more commercial (not profit motivated but financially autonomous) by bringing in more astute staff. There wasa piece in the Times about 2 months ago about a guy who works on contracts earning c£1500 a day. Needless to say the papers made remarks about how this was disgusting. It isn't until you realise that behind those figures (and he is being underpaid compared to what he could earn in the private sector) he has actually turned around the organisations he has worked within from £60m losses to breakeven within 9 months.

Peoples viewpoints are coloured by the press - as I said there are always reports of people being refused treatment and whinging that they pay their tax and demand that they have their tits done for free or - in a case I dealt with - that they have open heart surgery. Nothing wrong with that and to refuse would seem to be ridiculous. However the individual weighed over 30 stones, had smoked for over thirty years and their diet consisted primarily of bacon. They, quite simply, would have died under anaesthetic.

And this is what I am saying about Robert (sorry to go off at a tangent). It is all well and good posting stories that portray the 'news' but without understanding the story behind such events makes people sound like buffoons.

I am not left wing, nor right wing but prefer to see myself as a reasonable and reasonably intelligent person who before rushing to condemn any member of society or religion likes to understand motive.

I despise suicide bombers - as much as I despise people carrying knives or guns in the UK or US. But to dismiss them as the danger lets the instigators and agitators get away with - literally- murder.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tim O' Tei

I think the Health Service is the single best idea dreamt up by a governemnt. Alas individual hopsitals (trusts) are in many cases run by idiots who spend five hours in a meeting wasting time. I have worked in the NHS and am glad to see that there is a move to make the trusts more commercial (not profit motivated but financially autonomous) by bringing in more astute staff. There wasa piece in the Times about 2 months ago about a guy who works on contracts earning c£1500 a day. Needless to say the papers made remarks about how this was disgusting. It isn't until you realise that behind those figures (and he is being underpaid compared to what he could earn in the private sector) he has actually turned around the organisations he has worked within from £60m losses to breakeven within 9 months.

Peoples viewpoints are coloured by the press - as I said there are always reports of people being refused treatment and whinging that they pay their tax and demand that they have their tits done for free or - in a case I dealt with - that they have open heart surgery. Nothing wrong with that and to refuse would seem to be ridiculous. However the individual weighed over 30 stones, had smoked for over thirty years and their diet consisted primarily of bacon. They, quite simply, would have died under anaesthetic.

And this is what I am saying about Robert (sorry to go off at a tangent). It is all well and good posting stories that portray the 'news' but without understanding the story behind such events makes people sound like buffoons.

I am not left wing, nor right wing but prefer to see myself as a reasonable and reasonably intelligent person who before rushing to condemn any member of society or religion likes to understand motive.

I despise suicide bombers - as much as I despise people carrying knives or guns in the UK or US. But to dismiss them as the danger lets the instigators and agitators get away with - literally- murder.

Then disprove the stories Tim, I'm waiting.

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by Robert

Then disprove the stories Tim, I'm waiting.

I am not saying the stories are untrue, but:

1: The media present a very limited view of what is happening irrespective of the event

2: There are terrorists in each and every country - including your own.

What is more disgusting? A suicide bomber or a child taking their parent's gun and shooting dead classmates?

I suggest there is no difference.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tim O' Tei

I am not saying the stories are untrue, but:

1: The media present a very limited view of what is happening irrespective of the event

2: There are terrorists in each and every country - including your own.

What is more disgusting? A suicide bomber or a child taking their parent's gun and shooting dead classmates?

I suggest there is no difference.

If the stories are true, what are we arguing about?

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by Robert

If the stories are true, what are we arguing about?

Please can you show me where I said they were lies?

They are half stories fed to and believed by buffoons.

You employ a "Man down the pub told me so it must be true" belief of the world.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tim O' Tei

Please can you show me where I said they were lies?

They are half stories fed to and believed by buffoons.

You employ a "Man down the pub told me so it must be true" belief of the world.

So you are now back to saying the stories are half-true? So which half was true Tim?

[Tim O' Tei]

Originally Posted by Robert

So you are now back to saying the stories are half-true? So which half was true Tim?

I have not said these stories are half truths, completely true or wholly false.

No I'm saying you're a buffoon who doesn't understand anything but merely regurgitates stories and has no individual thought.

You merely cut and paste news in order to annoy others and instill fear against people who don't conform to your narrow view of normalcy. You are in effect just as bad as the murderers you purport to hate.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tim O' Tei

I have not said these stories are half truths, completely true or wholly false.

No I'm saying you're a buffoon who doesn't understand anything but merely regurgitates stories and has no individual thought.

You merely cut and paste news in order to annoy others and instill fear against people who don't conform to your narrow view of normalcy. You are in effect just as bad as the murderers you purport to hate.

So really Tim, according to you, every news story has multiple sides to it. This allows an individual to spin anything he wants anyway he wants. Interesting.